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CFD sells surplus ladder truck

This from Dennis McGuire, Jr:

Here is a Chicago 1996 Seagrave 100′ RM up for auction X-Truck 61

Auction #2688803 – 1996 SEAGRAVE FIRE TRUCK

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• #1 by harry on January 10, 2021 - 1:31 AM

  

  the accident with billy grant was march 24 2007 it was a sad day

• #2 by Mike on January 9, 2021 - 9:19 PM

  

  Mike Mc. Sorry for the misinformation. Here is the niosh report.

  https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/fire/reports/face200039.html

  The apparatus was a 1982 and it did have lap belts, but per the report the officers belt was broken, they were unsure of it was before or after the incident per the report.

• #3 by Mike on January 9, 2021 - 9:03 PM

  

  Mike mc. I very well could possibly be wrong but every report and people that were there all reported that the apparatus truck 24 was using was a 1975 seagrave and had.no seatbelts. The seat belt issue became an issue in 2003 when Billy grant from truck 51 died when he was ejected from the cab and the truck rolled over onto him. The reports said he had his seat belt on and it was quite obvious he didn’t because of what happened.

  Truck 24 was responding on an alarm and was struck behind the cab and the force popped LC’s door open and out he went. I can’t remember if they had 3 in the front that day or if the 5th member was riding outside with the 2 in the rear jump seats. But there were no seat belts on that apparatus. This incident was the catalyst for CFD to start buying modern apparatus.

• #4 by Mike Mc on January 9, 2021 - 5:45 PM

  

  Pretty sure Mike is wrong about the seatbelts on Truck 24 not being operational when Lt. Merrill was killed in the line of duty. A chief who was at the scene told me the seatbelt was operational and I do not recall any claims to the contrary. Sadly, the CFD was very lax in enforcing the general order requring that you were a seatbelt for several years if not literaly a couple decades.

• #5 by harry on January 8, 2021 - 6:53 PM

  

  i know fdny like chicago also they get rid of vehicles for many reasons totaled not driveable old high miles like recently they have been rid of 13 f series ambulances but keeping 2010

  mike c i saw the fdny cts tower in one of the newer gire apparatus journals

• #6 by Tim on January 8, 2021 - 3:21 PM

  

  Someone here was correct about FDNY having rig replacement in their labor agreement. I thought it was something like 10 years frontline, 5 years ready reserve and then 5 as a spare, then gone. I can’t remember exactly and it may be different for the trucks.

  One other reason companies don’t like bidding for FDNY is they require every rig in the order to have it’s own bond whereas any other dept. has a bond for the whole order.

• #7 by Mike C on January 8, 2021 - 2:34 PM

  

  Hairy – You have a better memory than I. I think I remember seeing the CTS Scope.

• #8 by harry on January 8, 2021 - 11:57 AM

  

  mike c i know fdny has at least 1 2020 aerialscope tower for the driver training as for frontline i dont know

• #9 by Mike C on January 8, 2021 - 10:27 AM

  

  Crabby – I actually don’t see MFD switching anytime soon. Maybe I’m wrong but their loyalty to Pierce is quite strong. In terms of not purchasing Seagrave in the larger cities or for that fact in FDNY, there are very few manufacturers that are willing to produce a truck as heavy duty as the FDNY spec. FDNY has high cycle rigs. Very heavy duty. The FDNY rigs are beat up after a short lifespan let alone put a less durable builder or spec in these big cities to have their rigs stressed even further shortening their lifespan even more. An FDNY spec engine easily has a 20 year lifespan in any fire department besides FDNY. FDNY is a busy department that works their rigs hard!!

  Hairy – No doubt, the E-One’s look a hell of a lot better than the Seagrave’s because the E-Ones are aluminum. When Chicago bought the Seagrave’s they had the option for Stainless Steel or Galvaneal. Chicago went the less expensive route which is why the rigs rusted so bad and fast. Not necessarily a quality issue with Seagrave but a spec issue with CFD. FDNY took delivery of 12 Seagrave pumpers in 2020. I don’t think they took delivery of any Aerialscope towers in 2020. To say FDNY has more on order is a pretty general statement because FDNY is so big they have rigs on order all the time. I don’t know what the future holds with new apparatus in FDNY but I know Seagrave currently has more rigs on the line now for FDNY.

• #10 by harry on January 8, 2021 - 9:24 AM

  

  mike c to be honest if u look at the 2000 eone trucks the city just replaced and compare how good they look to how good the seagraves look body wise as far as rust corrosion i think the eones have held up a hell of a lot better than the seagraves and yes mike c fdny has bought quite a few 2020 seagrave engines a few towers and have more on order i am sure in 2016 me and my grandpa took the train in the city of ny from elsford ny and tower 1 had a 2006 seagrave as a reserve it had 250 000 miles on it for 10 yo the current 2020 seagrave engines it appeats they have at least 10 or more

• #11 by crabbymilton on January 8, 2021 - 7:40 AM

  

  Perhaps it makes sense not to buy a SEAGRAVE or SUTPHEN in larger cites when they are going to turn them over so soon anyway. There was some talk here in Milwaukee of MFD going SEAGRAVE a few years ago but they have a long term agreement with PIERCE which has clearly moved down a bit to appeal to higher turnover. Wouldn’t surprise me one bit if MFD would look elsewhere after the PIERCE agreement is up. One of the REV brands would no doubt be considered. Time will tell.

• #12 by Mike C on January 8, 2021 - 7:30 AM

  

  You are correct, Mike! FDNY is a pain in the ass. The warranty is unlike any other. I believe FDNY mandates a 5 year warranty. I always wondered if KME and Ferrara underestimated the major expense of the FDNY warranty. Perhaps this is what caused the REV Group to buy out KME and Ferrara? I know KME and Ferrara were substantially less expensive than Seagrave in the past. When I say substantial, I mean really substantial because KME was $200k lower than Seagrave back when KME first produced pumpers for FDNY.

• #13 by Mike on January 8, 2021 - 7:18 AM

  

  Sorry hit the button too soon. Chicago historically since the RJQ days and before has never had an apparatus replacement program. Everything gets driven till the wheels fall off, literally. If you’re old enough to remember in 2000 truck 24 got into a fatal accident, LT. L.C. Merrill died after being ejected from the cab because the rig they were in had no seat belts and was 25 years old. The city emergency purchase some apparatus from e-one and then started buying the pierce ladders the following year. In Chicago it always takes an incident to make change. It’s the Chicago way.

• #14 by Mike C on January 8, 2021 - 7:15 AM

  

  Where Chicago Fire Department made the mistake is they didn’t spec the stainless steel option at the time and went the less expensive route with galvaneal.

  FDNY typically gets a little more than 5-6 years out of their rigs. A few of the 2009 Seagrave pumpers were replaced in 2020. I think they’re typically getting approximately 10-12 years frontline out of their pumpers. After 10-12 years, based on the rigorous FDNY spec, these engines are beat pretty bad but actually have a little life left in them. FDNY specs full stainless steel cab and body and no multiplexing. They’re built tough!

  Needless to say, this CFD ladders life has been exhausted. Would love to see CFD go back to Seagrave but it appears the relationship with E-One is quite strong.

• #15 by Mike on January 8, 2021 - 7:14 AM

  

  You can’t really compare fdny to Chicago. FDNY has a section in their collective bargaining agreement that all fire apparatus shall be replaced after 10 years, I think. It’s 10 or 7 or 5, but it’s in there. Plus their spec calls for pretty specific warranty coverage from the manufacture. That’s why nobody really likes dealing with FDNY. They’re actually a huge pain in the ass.

• #16 by crabbymilton on January 8, 2021 - 6:19 AM

  

  Hey 25 years is a pretty good run. SEAGRAVE’s are built to last. FDNY tends to pound the poop out of their rigs so most of them seldom go beyond 20 years in overall service.

• #17 by harry on January 7, 2021 - 6:36 PM

  

  it is truly amazing at how nyc even though they are larger than chicago a rig usally last less than 20 years in total

• #18 by Aidan Hughes on January 7, 2021 - 6:08 PM

  

  This truck originally served as Truck 32.

• #19 by Mike on January 7, 2021 - 4:59 PM

  

  The city is finally getting rid of it. I don’t know why, it still has a good couple years of work left in it.

• #20 by harry on January 7, 2021 - 4:06 PM

  

  otherwords it is junk not bad looking heck new york city gets rid of 5 -6 yo vehicles but bad shape

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