From the Fire Service, Inc. Facebook page:
Congratulations Joliet Fire Department of Illinois on their purchase of a 2020 E-ONE HR100 aerial quint!
We are proud to provide your department with yet another E-One product your community can depend on!
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thanks Ron
#1 by Mike G on May 23, 2020 - 4:35 PM
So X-E8’s quint is E9 quint and that is being replaced with this new ladder or (quint) so thats Ladd downtown the Tower? and Quint 9 as ladder trucks? Im not from the area so just trying to place the rigs Thank you Mike G
#2 by Tim on May 9, 2020 - 6:53 PM
Mike C you never answered my question. Who do you work for? You have a tendency to write long messages without reading the previous post. So what other depts. have had major command zone issues?
Come to the table without any substance? Sounds like you’re running for office.
Are you related to Pritzker because he talks out of his arse just like you.
David thank you for clarifying that the info regarding Boston originally posted by Mike C was incorrect
#3 by harry on May 9, 2020 - 5:40 PM
glad they went eone it would however be interested in seeing a rm sutphen aerial in this area glad Joliet is finally getting some new rigs
#4 by Mike C on May 9, 2020 - 5:01 PM
David – Regardless, there is history of the Command Zone causing issues with the Pierce aerials.
#5 by David on May 9, 2020 - 1:56 PM
Mike C – https://www.fireapparatusmagazine.com/2007/04/01/ladder-15-had-history-of-damage/#gref
#6 by Mike C on May 9, 2020 - 1:38 PM
I’m convinced some on here just want to play devils advocate. Interestingly, most of you come on here without any experience.
As I look at this rig, a couple things that stick out to me is that pump panel is pushed back a little further. Definitely some smart engineering! The down rigger system on the E-One is far superior compared to the Pierce down riggers. I noticed a reel on the aerial instead of a cat track. The torque box on the E-One is also far superior compared to the Pierce. E-One’s torque box is permanently integrated into the frame. The Pierce torque box is bolted to the frame. Don’t get me wrong, the actual Pierce aerial devices are solid! I have some friends who work(ed) at the Kewaunee plant. To this day, they are some of the best, if not the best fabricators I know. Unfortunately, the Pierce aerial is equipped with the proprietary multiplex system exclusive to Pierce. Anytime something is proprietary, prices increase.
The only time I can see buying the Ascendant over the HR100 is when the price is lower. It’s always about the bottom dollar. I would say in most cases, the Pierce is going to be more expensive to maintain, and repair throughout the life of the vehicle.
#dontbuyPierce #idontworkforeone
#7 by Mike C on May 9, 2020 - 1:23 PM
David – If I’m interpreting this article correctly, it’s contrasting your statement.
Tim – I do not have any personal knowledge about the aerial failures beyond what’s online but I do know there have been multiple complaints addressing this issue. I don’t know why you bother to argue when you come to the table without any substance.
Sebastian – Yes, Hairy is my brother.
#8 by David on May 9, 2020 - 5:59 AM
Mike C – The Boston ladder failure was due to previous damage of the control pedestal which caused the ladder to be pressed into the building. It didn’t just randomly fail out of thin air. If you put any other ladder in that position, regardless of manufacturer, the ladder would almost certainly be damaged.
#9 by Tim on May 8, 2020 - 10:10 PM
Oh so Mike C you knew about the Boston failure because you read about it on the internet but don’t have any personal knowledge of a Pierce you worked on that had a failure of that type.
I never mentioned in any post that Pierce was the best, or because they were the biggest they were the best. I don’t know anything about the Ascendent nor have I ever compared it to E-1, and I don’t care either. Who’s rigs do you work on anyway?
#10 by Sebastian on May 8, 2020 - 8:57 PM
Yep.. i think mike c and harry are related..
#11 by Mike C on May 8, 2020 - 5:55 PM
I can’t see what Sebastian posted but I learned to take his comments with a grain of salt considering he’s never worked in the fire service and I’ve proved him wrong several times.
Tim – Check this link out. https://www.firefighterclosecalls.com/pierce-recalls-more-than-800-aerials/ To answer your question, Boston had a ladder failure due to the Command Zone.
Like I said E-One isn’t my first choice, but can you name anything specifically that is better on the Pierce Ascendant compared to the E-One HR100? I can’t think of a single thing.
I won’t deny the fact that other manufacturers have recalls but Pierce has far more than any other builder.
Just because Pierce is the biggest, doesn’t make them the best. Nestle is the biggest food company in the world. Does that make them the best? Boeing is the biggest aircraft builder in the world. Does that make them the best? Walmart and Amazon are the biggest retailers in the world. Does that make them the best?
#12 by Brian on May 8, 2020 - 1:18 PM
The amount of electronics required on apparatus today has intensified the amount of issues that can and will go wrong. No matter how hard you try to protect electric wiring, that with water doesn’t mix
#13 by Craig Mack on May 8, 2020 - 12:21 PM
best way i ever heard it described by an apparatus salesman…”they’re ALL pieces of $hit nowadays…you just pick what features, cost, and sustainability of the piece of $hit you want, and we’ll sell it to you”
#14 by Tim on May 8, 2020 - 10:12 AM
Sebastian I think you’re correct. Mike C. what depts. had ladder failures due to a command zone issue? And give me a name of any vehicle builder that doesn’t have recalls? E-1 has had many recalls over the years too.
I don’t get on this blog and ram Pierce down everyone’s throat. Unlike you and some of the other guys that ram E-1 down our throats.
E-1 = not high end.
#15 by Mike C on May 8, 2020 - 7:03 AM
E-One isn’t my first choice but they are a much higher end product than Pierce. I’m not sure why Tim downplays the Command Zone, TAK 4, and corrosion issues. All are detrimental to the safety and/or reliability for those who use them. How many recalls has Pierce issued on the TAK 4? The Command Zone had a recall not long ago after multiple aerial devices failed from the Command Zone causing the aerial to collide with buildings. I can’t even keep track of all the rigs Pierce has produced that were retired early from corrosion. I’ve seen heavy corrosion on their aerial devices too. Did anyone ever see the corrosion on Chicago’s Pierce ladders? Pierce = low end
#16 by Craig Mack on May 6, 2020 - 3:14 PM
Well said Tim!!
#17 by Tim on May 5, 2020 - 10:28 PM
Mike C we’re well aware of your alleged occupation. And I guess I’m an enthusiast after retiring from 36+ years in the fire service. I may have wrenched on a few here and there too. Here are a few things that I see. 1.In no way is E-one the cream of the crop as far as builders are concerned. Who is better than who is anyone’s and everyone’s opinion….Chevy…Ford…Dodge. Who is better? I don’t know. 2. It seems all you have on Pierce is the Tak 4 issue, and the rust issue. Oh wait the command zone issue too. I’ve seen E-ones come out of Ocala with the dash board lit up like a Christmas tree. Outrigger sensors, air bag sensors, door sensors, etc. speedometer not working etc. alignment off, body and cab not lined up, trans not going into pump, hydraulic leaks, loose wires hanging under the rig…..brand new rigs with these issues. Are these specific to E-1? Of course not. Make no mistake about it, we are not comparing Cadillacs to Yugos here. Pierce’s quality definitely isn’t what it was in the 80’s and 90’s and even early 2000’s but give us a break with the man crush on E-1.
#18 by Tim on May 5, 2020 - 7:48 PM
Similar to their Impels at Engine 5 and 6.
#19 by Mike C on May 5, 2020 - 7:27 PM
Ron – Craig – Tim – I work on apparatus day in and day out. I see firsthand what is quality and what isn’t quality. Does bigger mean better? Absolutely not! Pierce is a mediocre builder at best. Great innovation, horrible quality. Why do you think Pierce recently announced their corrosion protection on all frame rails just recently? Perhaps because the past 20+ years Pierce’s torque boxes and frame rails have corroded unlike any other builders? In addition, I can’t even begin to tell you how many Pierce’s I’ve seen with mixed metals without a barrier causing electrolysis. I’m sure some of you commenting are enthusiasts, others maybe working on the apparatus, and others who also turn wrenches on the apparatus. For those who turn wrenches on apparatus, I’m sure you can all attest to what I’m saying.
#20 by Tarik Cimpo on May 5, 2020 - 7:25 PM
Orland currently has a Pierce Enforcer pumper on order
#21 by Rich on May 5, 2020 - 6:49 PM
All of Joliet front line engines and trucks.are E-one. 97% of resv. Are e-one
#22 by Tim on May 5, 2020 - 6:36 PM
Mike C. this truck is similar to Orlands newest truck. The Orland truck had quite a few problems with it. Problems they shouldn’t have had. Definitely not considerably better then the Pierce.
I think their next rig is going to be a Pierce.
#23 by Rich on May 5, 2020 - 6:30 PM
I sorry wanted say dive 9. Not five 9. Fingers are little large.
#24 by Rich on May 5, 2020 - 6:24 PM
I forgot all eng.,trk,amb,bat,are full time
#25 by Rich on May 5, 2020 - 6:22 PM
Sta. 1
Eng.1,trk. True truck w/ air,1,amb.1 bat.1 full time
Trk.11,eng.11,amb.21 resv. Drive team as needed
No Sta.2
Sta.3 eng.3,amb.3. Eng13,amb.23 resv.?? It’s the race track station.
Sta.4 eng.4,amb.4 resv. Rigs???
Sta.5 eng.5,amb.5. ??
Sta.6 tower,6 quint,amb.6 brush,6
Sta.7 eng.7,amb.7. Eng.17,amb.27 resv.
Sta.8 eng.8,amb.8,bat.2, eng18,amb.28 resv.
Sta.9 quint.9,amb.9. Trk9,amb29,eng.19,resv and five truck,???
Sta.10 eng.10,amb10. And extra. Rigs
All engines and trucks are all als
#26 by Craig Mack on May 5, 2020 - 4:31 PM
At this point, I just come on this site to see Mike C’s ridiculous and asinine posts. How much boot licking for E One can 1 man POSSIBLY do?? Tune in literally any day on Chicagoareafire.com!! Hahahaha
#27 by Ron Wolkoff on May 5, 2020 - 3:21 PM
Mike c your bias is well known. If pierce was so bad why are they the largest fire apparatus manufacturer? They are also well represented in the chicago metro area
#28 by Mike G on May 5, 2020 - 1:51 PM
Could you give us an update on Joliet truck companies for those of us not from the area, how many trucks or quints in service, for that matter what about Engine co’s in service also
#29 by Rich on May 5, 2020 - 1:15 PM
Its suppose to replace quint 9. They should trade in truck 9 for it. Truck 9 has been sitting for years. It’s to tall to go downtown. It was in service for short time.
The current quint 9, 25 years old++ they brought that back in the 90’s.
#30 by Mike C on May 5, 2020 - 12:56 PM
Everything about this rig blows the Pierce Ascendant out of the water!
#31 by Michael m on May 5, 2020 - 11:20 AM
Which truck will this replace?