From the Fire Service, Inc. Facebook page:
Check out these E-ONE pumpers that are the 20th City Style engine delivered to Chicago in the last 5 years.Specs• E-ONE Cyclone Cab w/severe duty interior• E-ONE SS structural body and pump module• Cummins X 12 455HP Engine• Allison EVS 4000R Transmission• Hale Q-MAX 1500 GPM Pump• 500 Gallon Water/30-gallon Foam Tank• Hale Foam Smart Foam System• Federal Signal LED Lighting package• E-ONE Decon connection• USS Active air in cab purification
Fire Service Inc photo
Fire Service Inc photo
#1 by John Antkowski on October 23, 2023 - 8:33 PM
I was just on Chicago shop numbers. He has the 2023 E One Engines to the companies as follows; Engine 22, 54, 75, and 108. With still one to be determined.
#2 by John Keller on October 22, 2023 - 1:34 PM
The Typical Chicago Hose bed is
On the Side
2 150ft 1 3/4 Crosslays (Both with combo nozzles)
Rear Bed
Left-700ft 2 1/2 into 100-150ft 1 3/4 on the top middle tray
Middle-700ft 4in LDH
Right-700ft 2 1/2 w smoothbore
Under the Ladder rack-100-250ft 1 3/4 in a tray
On the Bumper-150ft 4in LDH with a short preconnected 10ft section above
here you can see photos of all angles
https://chicagolandfirephotos.smugmug.com/CFD-Division-9/CFD-District-5-/Battalion-22-/Engine-115-/
#3 by Jeff Harkey on October 21, 2023 - 12:42 PM
Can someone describe the typical CFD hose loads? Size, length or number of sections. Not sure how that middle, small tray in the hose bed is used. Thanks,
#4 by michael m on October 20, 2023 - 7:52 PM
Which engines are getting new rigs? We know for sure Engine 22,75 and 108. What other two engines will be getting new rigs?
#5 by Localguy on October 16, 2023 - 4:33 PM
Couldn’t agree more. Personally, the X12 is my first pick for most versatile. Great motor for both engines and aerials. The X15 is awesome, but I don’t see any reason to ever put it in a standard engine.
#6 by Mike C on October 16, 2023 - 3:01 PM
I love the power the X15 produces but I don’t think it’s worth the money on any engine or aerial. The X15 is extremely heavy putting a ton of extra weight on the front axle, and the doghouse is usually bigger. Even apparatus at 80,000+, the X15 is a lot of motor. Essentially, it’s overkill.
#7 by crabbymilton on October 16, 2023 - 12:50 PM
That’s troubling that they don’t even know if the things will fit. They had how long to get ready for this? From CUMMINS’ standpoint, it does make sense to build off of one block since standardization seldom has downsides. Hopefully they can find a way to get the X-15 to fit in the same envelope as the X-10.
#8 by Localguy on October 16, 2023 - 10:47 AM
The L9 and the X12 are bith going away. Being replaced by the X10. All new emissions systems. 48 volt electrical system. The X15 is also getting new emissions. As of a few weeks ago manufacture’s don’t know if the new motors will fit. Seagrave doesn’t even offer the X15. The X10 will only go up to 450hp 1650tq. So 50 less hp and 50 less ftlb of torque. Very small changes but I wouldn’t want to go down in numbers when ordering a 95ft aerialscope.
#9 by Matt McCrory on October 16, 2023 - 9:39 AM
They may not have had a choice on the engine. Cummins oversold the L9 and put the fire apparatus industry on allocation. REV Group was urging customers to upgrade to the X12 due to availability.
#10 by crabbymilton on October 16, 2023 - 8:54 AM
Mike C, I think you do have a valid argument in that a larger engine downrated is better than a smaller engine uprated. However, given how much power these new engines produce, long term durability may not be an issue given how the RPM and gobs of low end torque the L9 has as well which is was is needed for pumping. I mean years ago 300-350 HP was more than ample for these pumpers. Sure one can justify the extra cost of an even more powerful engine as far as longer life goes. But it will likely use more fuel than a L9 so it may or may not balance out when comparing the two options.
#11 by Mike C on October 16, 2023 - 7:27 AM
Crabby – I have gone back and fourth with myself for years on the mid size motor and the big block. The big block is such a massive extra cost but I think it might be worth it for high call volume departments. I think big blocks have higher longevity than the mid-size motors. The Cummins L9 moves pretty good but it also works pretty hard too which I think results in a shorter lifespan. I’m sure someone could argue this though.
#12 by crabbymilton on October 16, 2023 - 6:17 AM
Sharp looking twins and well equipped into a no nonsense package.
Not to disparage but is the larger engine really necessary?
#13 by Bob on October 15, 2023 - 10:10 PM
lol. I could think of two Engines that need new rigs. E101 and E122…
#14 by Michael m on October 15, 2023 - 5:56 PM
Also if you look at the interior cab pic you can also see Elmhurst tower 1, it must have been there for repairs.
#15 by Chris S on October 15, 2023 - 12:52 PM
Finally, E108 gets their new rig. You can see E75 inside the building in the interior cab pic
#16 by Harry on October 15, 2023 - 11:52 AM
I see there are some minor changes
#17 by Rich S. on October 14, 2023 - 9:58 PM
The access door on the officers side of the cab goes into the EMS compartment in the cab behind the officer seat. This is in theory to allow for the members to access ems bags. Although I don’t really see many people use it. The finance department needs to let the funds flow so we can add as many new rigs to the fleet as possible. We are in a dire situation with apparatus.
#18 by Michael m on October 14, 2023 - 7:25 PM
Simple no nonsense engines, that are really needed.
What equipment is stored in the officers side compartments?