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As seen around … Madison, WI

This from Tyler Tobolt:

I caught these photos of the brand new Madison WI Ladder 1 yesterday. Only been in service for about 5 days now. 

Tyler Tobolt photo

Tyler Tobolt photo

Tyler Tobolt photo

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• #1 by Phil Stenholm on December 7, 2020 - 4:05 PM

  

  The Evanston Fire Department has been running aerial-ladder trailers with tillers (first HDA & then later TDA) since 1907.

  Evanston’s first H&L (and it was also one of Evanston’s first two fire apparatus) was a hand-drawn rig purchased from the Babcock Company of Chicago in 1872. It was located in the original EFD station on the first floor of the Village Hall at Church & Orrington 1873-83. It was not an aerial ladder truck, but it was equipped with ladders, axes, pike poles, rope, buckets, and salvage covers. It was only in front-line service until 1883.

  The Evanston F. D. was relocated to an old frame paint shop (renovated for use as a firehouse with stable facilities) located on the west-side of Sherman Avenue at the northwest corner of the north alley of Davis Street in 1883 and the EFD became fully horse-drawn at that time, and then Fire Station #1 was relocated again in 1893 to the new City Hall at the northwest corner of Sherman & Davis, and then (again) to the new Police / Fire Public Safety facility at the northwest corner of Grove & Sherman in 1897.

  It didn’t have an aerial ladder or a tiller, but Evanston’s first horse-drawn H&L (with a two-horse hitch) was purchased in 1885 (it cost $800) from the Davenport Fire Apparatus Co. of Davenport, IA. It ran as Truck No. 1 at Fire Station #1 1885-1907 and then it was fitted with a 850-ft capacity hose-box and became a “combination truck” (hose & H&L) and was relocated to Fire Station #3 (located at 2504 Railroad Avenue — later known as Green Bay Road) in July 1907 (where it replaced the hose-wagon that had been in service at that station since it opened in January 1901), and it ran as “Truck No. 3” 1907-1917. (It was the only rig at Station #3 1907-1911, then it was the second section of Engine Co. 3 beginning in January 1912 when the 1895 Ahrens 600 GPM steamer was transferred from Station #2 to Station #3).

  Evanston purchased a horse-drawn “combination truck” (a combination H&L and chemical engine) from Seagrave in 1902. There was not sufficient manpower to place it into service right away and it did not fit into Station #2 (the former South Evanston Village Hall / Police Station / Fire Station located at 750 Chicago Avenue that was functioning in 1902 as the combined Fire Station #2 and the Evanston Police Department’s “South Precinct” station), so the EFD had to wait for additional manpower to be authorized by the City Council and for the new Station #2 to be completed (constructed on the site of the old South Evanston Village Hall) in 1903.

  Like the Davenport truck at Station #3, the Seagrave combination truck at Station #2 was fitted with an 850-ft capacity hose box in July 1907 as the hose-wagon at Station #2 was taken out of service. (The horse-drawn hose wagons at Station #2 and Station #3 were taken out of service in July 1907 to provide the four horses required to pull the new HDA at Station #1).

  Evanston acquired its first aerial-ladder truck (with a tiller) from American LaFrance in July 1907. It was an 85-ft HDA (with a four horse-hitch) that cost $6,700 (which was a lot of money in 1907). It ran as Truck No. 1 for about nine years, before it was demolished in a collision with an Evanston Railway Company streetcar at Grove & Sherman in September 1916 while responding to a still alarm on Hinman Avenue (two firefighters riding on-board were seriously injured in the wreck).

  There was already a master plan in place to fully motorize the EFD when Truck 1 was totaled, with one element of the plan to replace the four horses pulling the HDA with a truck tractor. But obviously this never happened.

  So the EFD leased a 25-year old HDA from American LaFrance for almost a year (January -November 1917). It was an ex-Chattanooga F. D. 1891 LaFrance/Hayes 55-ft HDA that had been traded-in to American LaFrance when Chattanooga fully motorized its fire department with American LaFrance automobile rigs in 1916.

  A $30,000 bond issue to fully motorize the Evanston F. D. was passed by Evanston voters in April 1917, and Seagrave got the contract to supply all of the rigs:

  1. A 750-GPM engine equipped with a 50-gallon chemical tank that went into service as Engine No. 1, replacing the 1911 Robinson “Jumbo” 750-GPM pumper (the Jumbo being Evanston’s first automobile pumper, which was retained as the EFD’s lone “spare” automobile rig 1918-29).

  2 & 3. Two indentical “twin” 300-GPM chemical & hose “booster” pumpers equipped with 50-gallon chemical tanks (one rig known as “Truck 2” and then later as “Hose 2” went into service as the second section of Engine Co. 2 replacing the horse-drawn 1902 Seagrave combination truck, and the other went into service as Engine No. 3 replacing the horse-drawn 1895 Ahrens steamer and the 1885 Davenport H&L at Station #3)

  4. A Model “K” one-axle tractor to pull the formerly horse-drawn 1906 American LaFrance 700-GPM steamer (which was now a so-called “tractorized-steamer”) at Station #2;

  5 A Model “E” city service truck that went into service as the new Truck No. 1, replacing the ex-Chattanooga F. D. HDA. (The city service truck was equipped with ladders of various types and lengths but no aerial ladder, and the tallest ladder was a ground-based 55-ft extension ladder that required four men to raise with tormentor poles).

  EFD Chief Albert Hofstetter said at the time of the bond issue that Evanston did not need an aerial ladder truck because all of Evanston’s tallest buildings had fire escapes, but when the National Board of Fire Underwriters (NBFU) inspected the EFD in 1923, it strongly recommended that Evanston add an TDA ASAP. (Five multi-story hotels and many of the two and three-story apartment building that dot Evanston’s landscape were built in the years 1917-23).

  So to keep Evanston’s NBFU rating at “3,” the Evanston City Council quickly appropriated $16,500 to purchase an 85-ft TDA. Seagrave won the bid and the new truck was placed into service as the new Truck No. 1 in September 1924. The former Truck 1 (the 1917 Seagrave city service truck) became Truck No. 2 (as Truck Co. 2 was organized on September 1st). Both Truck Co. 1 and Truck Co. 2 ran out of Station #1 for 30 years (Truck Co. 1’s first-due district was the area east of Asbury Avenue where most all of the city’s tall buildings were located, Truck Co. 2’s first-due district was the area west of Asbury Avenue which consisted of mainly single-family residences and a few factories along the C&NW RR Mayfair Division tracks, and both trucks responded to alarms at schools during school hours, hospitals, and retirement & nursing homes). .

  Evanston ran with just the one aerial ladder truck (Truck 1) for 13 years. Truck 2 was replaced with a Seagrave “Service” 65-ft aerial ladder truck with a 50-gallon booster tank in 1937. (It was called a “Service” aerial because the aerial ladder was mounted on the old Seagrave city service chassis), The 1917 Seagrave city service truck (formerly Truck 2) then became “Truck 3” (the EFD’s reserve truck). This rig was also assigned to the volunteer Evanston Auxiliary Fire Service during WWII, along with one of the old 300-GPM booster pumpers

  So Evanston had two aerial ladder trucks (but only one TDA) as of December 1937.

  A new combined Police Station HQ & six-bay Fire Station #1 was constructed at the northwest corner of Lake & Elmwood in 1949, and the City Council appropriated funds to purchase a new 85-foot TDA to replace Truck 1 (the 1924 Seagrave TDA) in 1950. Pirsch won the bid (the first time Evanston purchased a rig not built by Seagrave since 1911) with ETA expected in 3rd quarter 1951. However, Evanston voters approved a $135,000 bond issue in April 1951 that provided funds to purchase three new pumpers (one of which was a combination pumper-rescue squad) and two new TDA (this included the new truck that was already on order, so the 1950 separate appropriation was canceled).

  And Pirsch won the bid to supply all five of the rigs (not just the new Truck 1) from the bond issue. (Pirsch out-bid American LaFrance and Seagrave for the TDA, and Mack for the pumpers).

  Besides acquiring new apparatus, some of the funds from the bond issue were used to purchase new hose and other needed equipment (including modern SCBA for the two trucks), and two-way radios. With radios being installed in 1952, the EFD changed the numbering of its companies to the “20-series” (so Truck Co. 1 became “Truck Co. 21,” Truck Co. 2 became “Truck Co. 22,” etc), to avoid confusion with other fire departments that were already operating on the same radio frequency.

  So the new Truck 1 arrived a year before the others (it became “Truck 21” when radios were installed in 1952), and the other four rigs (Engine 21, Engine 25, Squad 21, and Truck 22) arrived in September 1952. All five of the new Pirsch rigs were assigned to Fire Station #1, so Evanston residents could drive=past or stop-by and view the EFD’s modern fleet of fire apparatus all in one place.

  The tractor and the trailer of the old Truck 1 (the 1924 Seagrave TDA) were separated and the trailer & wooden aerial ladder were junked, but the tractor was retained and converted to a Chicago F. D.- style “high-pressure wagon” (known as “Squad 22”) with a hose bed from one of the old 1917 Seagrave pumpers that was junked in 1952 placed onto the Seagrave tractor. A high-pressure nozzle was fitted on top and the rig was also equipped with large-diameter “fireboat” hose and specialized portable master-stream and high-pressure nozzles.

  The old Truck 2 (1937 Seagrave 65-ft service aerial truck) became the EFD’s reserve truck (Truck 23) at Fire Station #3 on Green Bay Road when the new Pirsch TDA was placed into service as the new Truck 22 at Station #1 in 1952. Hiowever the Seagrave truck was placed back into front-line service when a third truck company (Truck Co. 23) was organized at the new Fire Station #3 at 1105 Central Street when it opened in September 1955.

  Meanwhile, Truck Co. 22 was relocated to the new Fire Station #2 (and EFD HQ) at 702 Madison Street in March 1955. (There wasn’t room for an aerial ladder truck at the old Station #2, which is why both trucks ran out of Station #1 1924-55).

  In 1962, EFD Chief James Geishecker requested the City Council appropriate funds for a new 100-ft TDA for Truck Co. 21 at Station #1, with the existing Truck 21 (the 1951 Pirsch 85-ft TDA) to be moved to Station #3 and become Truck 23, replacing the 25-year old 1937 Seagrave 65-ft truck, which would go into reserve (The EFD had no reserve truck after Truck Co. 23 was organized in 1955).

  The city Council refused to appropriate funds for a new 100-ft TDA in 1962 (although they did five years later), and so Chief Geishecker took Truck Co. 23 and its 25-year old rig out of service and transferred Truck 23’s manpower to Squad 21 at Station #1, as Squad 21 became a fully-manned company (Squad 21 previously had been the “inhalator squad” and rescue truck, responding to inhalator calls city-wide, specialized rescue calls, and working fires, and manned by only two firefighters when needed).

  Evanston finally purchased (at a cost of $60,000) a new 100-ft TDA in 1967 (it arrived in December 1968). A Pirsch “Senior” TDA, it went into service as the new Truck 21 in January 1969.

  The former Truck 21 (1951 Pirsch 85-ft TDA) was then relocated temporarily to Station #2 where it ran for several months in 1969 as Truck 22 while Truck 22 (the 1952 Pirsch 85-ft TDA) was “modernized” at the Pirsch factory in Kenosha (at a cost of $20,000). The tractor was refurbished (most obvious differences were new fenders and dual headlights and a new Mars rotating beacon light), and the 85-ft aerial ladder was re-mounted on a new trailer. The 1951 Pirsch TDA became the EFD’;s reserve truck (Truck 23) and the 1937 Seagrave 65-ft service aerial ladder truck was junked when Truck 22 came back from the Pirsch factory later that year.

  The ISO did an inspection of the Evanston Fire Department in 1977 and (among other things) concluded that the EFD needed more front-line GPM pumping capability. (Squad 21’s 1965 International pumper-squad — which functioned as a second engine at Station #1 — was replaced by a Chevrolet Versatile-Van in 1977). This resulted in Evanston (hurriedly) purchasing a new Pirsch 1250-GPM pumper (it was already being built at the Pirsch factory as an “off-the-shelf” spec rig when Evanston bought it) to replace an older 1970 Pirsch 1000-GPM pumper at Station #2, and a Seagrave 1250-GPM / 100-ft RMA quint (which was placed into service at Station #1 as the new Truck 21).

  These two acquisitions (the Pirsch pumper and the Seagrave quint) helped the EFD get its tentative ISO Class 4 rating moved back up to Class 3 (as it had been for more than 50 years), but the long-term plan was actually to relocate Truck Co. 21 and its Seagrave quint to Station #3 where it would become Truck Co. 23, take Engine Co. 23 out of service, and use the manpower from the disbanded Engine Co. 23 (three firefighters per shift) to place a fourth firefighter on the quint and place a third ambulance in service at Station #3.

  Unfortunately, it turned out the Seagrave truck had some design flaws, most notably that if the 300-gallon water tank was filled with waiter (which it would need to be if ran as a quint at Station #3), the single rear axle would break (which it did). What Evanston did not know when they bought it was that the rig would needed two rear axles in order to provide enough support for the added weight from the water in the tank.

  Meanwhile, the 1968 Pirsch 100-ft TDA was relocated to Fire Station #2 in 1980 (and became the new Truck 22) when the Seagrave quint was placed into service at Station #1 (the ’68 Pirsch tractor also got a diesel engine), the former Truck 22 (the 1952 Pirsch 85-ft TDA that was refurbished in 1969) was moved to Station #3 (where it became the reserve truck (Truck 23), and the 1951 Pirsch 85-ft TDA was junked. Truck 23’s 1952 Pirsch tractor (the one refurbished in 1969) was replaced in 1982 by a 1968 GMC / Pirsch tractor that had formerly been in service with the Aurora F. D. in Colorado.

  The EFD purchased two new TDAs from Pierce (equipped with 105-ft Smeal aerial ladders) in 1990 and 1991. The first one went into service as Truck 22 at Station #2 in 1990, and the second one became the reborn Truck Co. 23 at Station #3 in 1991, as Truck Co. 21 became Truck Co. 23 and was relocated from Station #1 to Station #3.

  All of the EFD;s older trucks were junked by the mid-1990’s, and so the EFD went in search of a used truck it could acquire quickly. The initial plan was to purchase a 25-year old RMA from Highland Park F. D. (ex-HPFD Truck 31), but it was found to be mechanically unsound and not even useful as a reserve truck.

  Evanston ended up purchasing a rebuilt 1990 Pierce / Smeal RMA in 1998 for use as a reserve truck. This rig was formerly owned by the San Antonio F. D. in Texas before the aerial ladder was totaled in a load-test mishap that required the aerial ladder to be replaced.

  A new Pierce Arrow XT 105-ft TDA (the new Truck 22) was acquired in 2011, and another new Pierce Arrow XT 105-ft TDA (the new Truck 23) was added in 2015.

  The price of a new TDA has gone up, however, since Evanston’s first HDA was purchased in 1907 for the then unbelievable sum of $6,700. They now cost a cool million bucks.

• #2 by danny on December 7, 2020 - 3:21 PM

  

  those numbers listed were confirmed to be the suggested replacements. according to the dealer it’s an open agreement to purchase exclusively from e-one, nothing else

• #3 by Marty Coyne on December 7, 2020 - 10:13 AM

  

  danny, the purchase agreement the city signed with E-One does list Tower Ladders, Trucks and Engines in specific numbers. They may be able to modify as it’s a purchase agreement and not a contract, but they are specified.

• #4 by danny on December 7, 2020 - 9:16 AM

  

  of note bill, the 5 year purchase agreement is for apparatus in general not spcific types. rumor was that they were gonig to use it to replace 511 and 512.

• #5 by harry on December 7, 2020 - 12:58 AM

  

  dc also has all tillers with the exception of a midmount tower for 3

• #6 by Bill Post on December 6, 2020 - 7:42 PM

  

  Fred M, I and several others I am sure are also asking why Chicago isn’t running with a few tractor-drawn aerial ladders (TDAs).

  I would assume both the cost of the apparatus and the fact that they require two drivers per shift. It is just easier to maintain a fleet of standardized rear mounted ladder trucks such which they now have.

  A case can be made for the CFD to purchase a few which could be located in some of the more congested areas such as downtown and with some lakefront companies. Perhaps Trucks 44, 47, 11, 15, 16, 49, and 17 and also some companies that are further into the city such as Truck 8 and 42. The lakefront areas at least on the north side are very congested and it would make a lot of sense to put a few there. Tillers are best used in areas with narrow streets as they are more maneuverable. Truck 44, 47 and even 22 and 25 have some pretty narrow and congested streets on the east end of their districts. Even in some of the more inland areas there are narrow and congested streets such as the ones where concrete circles have been placed to slow traffic. The same is true in some areas of the 2nd, 5th, and 23rd battalions along the south Lakefront.

  If you are familiar with CFD history, Chicago started replacing the TDAs during the late 1960s and 1970s after a bond issue was passed to purchase new apparatus. Most were built in the 1940s, 1950s. Before that they were being replaced by non TDAs. Fire Commissioner Robert J Quinn decided to give the TDA a last hurrah and in 1975 he sent the trailers of five, 1954 FWD 85-foot wooden aerials to Seagrave. The wooden aerials were removed, the trailers were totally rebuilt, and new 100-foot metal aerial ladders were installed. International Harvester Cargo Star tractors were purchased for these rebuilt trailers, and they were assigned to Trucks 53, 14, 42, 41, and 54. Truck 42’s rig was reassigned to Truck 32 in 1986. The old quarters of Truck 32, Truck 42, and Truck 41 were on a narrow side streets. After those were retired, they were not replaced with newer TDAs.

  New York City, which has the largest fire department in the United States has 143 ladder companies. Sixty one are tower ladders and 82 are straight ladders. Thirteen of those are TDAs that are in areas with some very narrow streets which are difficult to navigate.

  All 23 ladder trucks in Philadelphia are tractor-drawn. They also have with two Snorkels and two mid-mounted tower ladders that are being replaced with Seagrave Aerialscopes. Although Boston has narrow and winding streets,they got rid of their last TDAs in the late 1970s and early 1980s. They have used rear-mounted aerial ladders ever since. The Los Angeles City Fire Department never went to rear-mounted aerial ladders and to this day only uses tractor-drawn ladders. They have many wide streets in the city plus narrow and winding streets in the Santa Monica mountains. Los Angeles County which runs with 31 ladder companies has been running with tractor-drawn quints. Houston, Texas which has 38 truck companies that include five tower ladders and 33 rear-mounts. They have and no TDAs. Dallas on the other hand runs with 23 truck companies and over the last 10 years expanded their TDA fleet from two to seven. Seattle, Washington recently switched 10 of their 11 ladder companies to TDAs.

  The bottom line is usually management and money. Even if Chicago was interested, it would be a hard sell given the poor financial shape of the city. We currently have a five year contract with E/One for rear-mounts so I don’t see it happening. But who knows what will happen in the future?

• #7 by Mike on December 6, 2020 - 7:14 PM

  

  Fred Chicago doesn’t have tillers because the people who spec and purchase apparatus aren’t on the fire department and management doesn’t care about usefulness or effectiveness. They are not having tillers as they don’t have to pay for 2 drivers a day on a truck company. The city that works..

• #8 by Bill Post on December 6, 2020 - 5:14 PM

  

  Madison, Wisconsin is one of the few cities in the Midwest that have not only been growing in population (even though they still rank as the 82nd largest city in America) but their fire department has also been growing for quite a while. Since 2005 they have built four fire stations for new companies. The population has grown by 23.6 percent since 2000.

  They have added four new engine companies, one ladder company, and two ambulances to their fleet since 2000. They plan on adding a 9th ambulance over the next year or two. They run 12 engine companies and 5 ladder companies. Truck 2 and Truck 6 are quints with 1,500-GPM pumps in stations with an ambulance and no engine company. Madison also has two, 100-foot rear mounted tower ladders with 1,500-GPM pumps in addition to the new 107-foot tractor-drawn aerial.

  All of their engines and ladders run with four people assigned. They also have two heavy rescue squads that are not staffed unless they are special called. Squad 8 is part of a regional Urban Search and Rescue team. Squad 9 is equipped with an air cascade unit and emergency scene lighting and acts as a utility unit at major incidents. Madison has two Hazmat units which run out of Stations 7 and 12 and are cross-manned by crews from those stations.

  Station 1 downtown has Engine 1, Hook and Ladder 1, the Watch Commander, and the Lake Rescue Team with two boats, a trailer, and Utility 1 which is a pickup truck that tows the boat trailer. The center of Madison is between lakes Mendota and Monona which is why their Lake Rescue Team is downtown. They always have at least six certified divers on duty.

  Station 14, Madison’s newest, opened in December 2018 and the fire department is looking for a location for station 15 as the city continues to grow.

• #9 by Fred M on December 6, 2020 - 2:50 PM

  

  Bill, you are usually in the know, why isn’t one or two of these rigs in the CFD inventory? While the Snorkels and straight ladder Cos can get into tight spaces that these rigs can’t, I’m surprised CFD does have them for high rise buildings downtown.

• #10 by harry on December 4, 2020 - 9:11 PM

  

  bill maybe madison will never have this problem but if they do this truck may sit or be jump co but also madison is much larger

• #11 by Bill Post on December 4, 2020 - 5:58 PM

  

  Harry this friend of yours worked in Hemet, California right? Well companies in Madison, Wisconsin normally run with 4 people assigned, so Madison does not have manpower issues like Hemet. Truck 1 is not a jump company so it has full time staffing. Here is a video link of it going for a test drive. https://youtu.be/r4Ie5LLP8DI

• #12 by harry on December 4, 2020 - 4:18 PM

  

  great catch tyler it works good when u have the manpower but i know that my friend art that used to work for hemet ca he told me the truck was not staffed very often because of manpower but it works good in tight spots

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