Auction #2097889 – 1982 SEAGRAVE SNORKEL FIRE TRUCK
CFD reserve 85′ Snorkel 661 for sale
Current Price $275.00
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Time Left 8 hours 30 min
High Bidder edwardo62
# of Bids 3
First Offer $100.00
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High Bidder edwardo62
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First Offer $100.00
Auction Details
Date
Auction Started: Jun 29, 2018 4:40:51 PM MDT
Auction Ends: Jul 6, 2018 2:30:00 PM MDT
Auction Started: Jun 29, 2018 4:40:51 PM MDT
Auction Ends: Jul 6, 2018 2:30:00 PM MDT
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City of Chicago [View seller’s auctions]
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Dept. of Procurement Services – Salvage Operations [Map It]
10101 S. Stony Island Avenue
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312-745-4140
Chicago, IL 60617
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Description
Year: 1982
Make: SEAGRAVE
Model: FIRE TRUCK
Mileage: 29,893 (HRS. 723)
VIN: 1F9HZ38S3CCST2016
Running Condition: UNKNOWN
Engine: DIESEL
Transmission: AUTOMATIC
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NOTE: NEEDS HYDRO SWIVEL; MISSING THREE FRONT LIGHTS – REFER TO PIC. 15; REAR AXLES REMOVED FOR TRANSPORTATION PURPOSES AND PLACED INSIDE CAB (Other unidentified parts may be missing; operational condition of equipment not known.) Bidder must furnish the labor and equipment to remove all auction items (see Terms and Conditions). Winning bidders must possess a valid Driver’s License to remove any vehicle from the Salvage Yard or provide written authorization for a third party with a valid Driver’s License to remove the vehicle.
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Salvage Operations 10101 South Stony Island Avenue Monday through Friday, 8a-3p CST Closed Saturday, Sunday & Holidays
NOTE: NEEDS HYDRO SWIVEL; MISSING THREE FRONT LIGHTS – REFER TO PIC. 15; REAR AXLES REMOVED FOR TRANSPORTATION PURPOSES AND PLACED INSIDE CAB (Other unidentified parts may be missing; operational condition of equipment not known.) Bidder must furnish the labor and equipment to remove all auction items (see Terms and Conditions). Winning bidders must possess a valid Driver’s License to remove any vehicle from the Salvage Yard or provide written authorization for a third party with a valid Driver’s License to remove the vehicle.
The information listed above is all the information that is available to us on the item(s) for sale. We encourage all interested parties to view the items before bidding, as specified in our terms and conditions.
Equipment Inspection:
Salvage Operations 10101 South Stony Island Avenue Monday through Friday, 8a-3p CST Closed Saturday, Sunday & Holidays
Condition: POOR
#1 by Bill Post on July 12, 2018 - 8:06 PM
Speaking of taller articulated platforms, Rosenbauer builds the 115-foot T-Rex. It is close in design to a Bronto Skylift, marketed in North America by E/One. These are 100′, 114′, 116′, and 134′ models. I have been hearing at times of difficulty with the Bronto E/Ones which some fire departments have been having. I wonder if the T-Rex has been having the same problems or if they have been performing better than the Brontos.
Anyone who is familiar with Chicago’s aerial ladder history knows that the Chicago has been using what is sometimes known as high ladders since 1960 when they purchased two, 144-foot Magirus ladders on Mack chassis. In 1974 they purchased a 135-foot Morita/Hendrickson/Pierce with an elevator used to reach the tip. In 1984 and in 1988 135-foot aerial ladders were bought. The 1988 model was still being used as a spare rig for Aerial Tower 1. In theory it seemed logical to me if the CFD would purchase a 134-foot Bronto Skylift offering the best of both worlds. A 135-foot height as well as having the inherent safety of a platform as opposed to a straight aerial ladder. Based on some performance issues such as weight, slow set up time, and perhaps the turning radius, a number of contributors to this blog feel that the Bronto would not be a good idea for Chicago.
So unless some of those weaknesses are corrected, it probably wouldn’t be a good idea. But at least in theory it would make a lot of sense to be able have a 134-foot platform which would be more user friendly then having to climb a 135-foot ladder rung by rung, especially in inclement weather.
#2 by BAT 10 on July 12, 2018 - 1:09 PM
Yes, Frankfort Squad 71 was returned to Smeal for a host of issues. Smeal offered to build us a new rig but the FD declined there offer. The district received a refund & now is considering a new replacement.
#3 by Marty COyne on July 12, 2018 - 11:45 AM
Bill,
IIRC when CFD bid out the new squads ALF owned the Snorkel rights and wouldn’t make them. I think it was a couple of years later that Smeal bought the rights after ALF went out of business.
I wonder if Rosenbauer would do a taller ACP rig. Given they’ve developed the ACP platform and their experience with taller articulating platforms with Metz, I’d think if they would have some interest (probably 3-4 rig order) they might be willing to do it.
I think Smeal only sold the one 55′ to Frankfort which returned it under the Lemon Law. Evergreen Park just ordered a 55′ ACP from Rosenbauer.
#4 by MABAS 21 on July 12, 2018 - 9:57 AM
Bill, I honestly don’t know if Smeal is still continuing to build the Snorkel. Rumor has it that Frankfort had multiple issues with their’s and forced Smeal to take it back. Can someone from Frankfort confirm this?
#5 by Bill Post on July 12, 2018 - 3:18 AM
Tucker that’s bad news and it comes as a shock to me. I would have thought that since Smeal has the rights to build the official Snorkel that they would be able to build a full line and not just the 55-foot model. They bought the rights to build Snorkel products from the now defunct American La France Company. It was owned by Patriarch Partners who in effect ran the company into the ground and had refused to build any Snorkels during the last few several years they were in business.
Philadelphia has one of the few fire departments that uses large Snorkels and they have been looking to replace the two they have in service. It would have been perfect timing, however since they can’t purchase a Snorkel larger than 55 feet that explains why they are not going to be purchasing new Snorkels to replace their current ones.
It appears to be self defeating. When American LaFrance first purchased the rights to the Snorkel brand they were able to build larger models, so I wonder what went wrong? Chicago’s current Snorkel squads are not using Snorkel brand devices. They purchased specially designed aerials built by Rosenbauer. When the bids for Snorkel squads went out several years ago, American LaFrance still owned the Snorkel brand. After Rosenbauer announced their design, Smeal purchased the rights to the Snorkel line of products.
#6 by MABAS 21 on July 11, 2018 - 8:08 PM
Thanks Brian. Just watched the video and it’s a relief that the old snorkel will be restored by a collector and not scrapped. Something this beautiful should be preserved.
#7 by Brian on July 11, 2018 - 2:11 PM
Adelman’s won the bid and sold it to an individual who plans to restore her. Just watched a video on Radioman911 on facebook of the rig being transferred to a temporary location in the south burbs.
#8 by MABAS 21 on July 11, 2018 - 1:50 PM
Not exactly sure if this is a good thing that Adelmans Truck Parts won the bid to purchase the old snorkel l, since they are an AUTO SALVAGE YARD. Hope that it gets RESTORED not SCRAPPED!!!
#9 by Tucker on July 9, 2018 - 10:12 AM
I talked to the Snorkel rep at Nashville last year. Snorkel doesn’t currently have a design that is approved (not sure if he meant NFPA or some other group) above 55′. So right now they can’t build anything larger than the Snorkel squads they they have been producing. He also said that the market would determine if how fast they would develop larger units but they were not getting many requests.
#10 by John on July 6, 2018 - 8:43 PM
Winning bid was Adelmans Truck Parts
#11 by Dan on July 6, 2018 - 6:00 PM
The winning bid was $2,750. You would think they could have parted it it for more than that.
#12 by Bill Post on July 6, 2018 - 11:59 AM
Yes Larry that’s former Reserve Snorkel 1 that had been at Engine 35’s house. I understand that for the last several months it was stored at fleet management. That rig was only in service as regular Snorkel for about a year before becoming a reserve Snorkel. I hope that the Greater Chicago Fire Museum buys it.
It is a shame that the Chicago Fire Department hasn’t replaced it with a similar apparatus. The reserve Snorkel was special called to quite a few extra alarm fires over the years and it came in handy.
It’s just like when the CFD sold off the large Deluge Wagon 671. It were used at at least 2 extra alarm fires the year before it was taken out of service to be sold. It’s not like they had to spend alot of money to keep those rigs running as they were both reserve apparatus without manpower assigned to them. When they were needed an engine or truck company drove them to the scene and operated them.
Even though Chicago uses the Snorkel squads, Philadelphia has been using their 85-foot and 75-foot Snorkels. As of late they were running as Truck 2 and 28. Both have been remounted on new KME chassis in 1997 after being rebuilt and used for about 15 years on their original chassis. Philadelphia about to replace those Snorkels with newer platforms. The point is that in Philadephia their Snorkels were remounted over 20 years ago after being rebuilt. Chicago could have done that with 671 and with Reserve Snorkel 1.
#13 by Larry on July 6, 2018 - 8:43 AM
Wait isn’t this the snorkel that’s with engine 35? If so that thing still holds up strong… Shure is sad to see it g