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Chicago 4-11 Alarm Fire 12-29-12 (pt 3)

Third article about the 4-11 Alarm fire on Saturday at 2444 W. 21st Place in Chicago.

Images from Steve Redick who arrived on the scene very early into the incident. Previous posts are HERE and HERE.

Chicago 4-11 Alarm massive fire at commercial warehouse facility 12-29-12 at 2444 S. 21st Street

Massive fire blows out all windows in Sector 1. Steve Redick photo

Chicago 4-11 Alarm massive fire at commercial warehouse facility 12-29-12 at 2444 S. 21st Street

Another image showing the intense fire that overtook the building. Steve Redick photo

Chicago 4-11 Alarm massive fire at commercial warehouse facility 12-29-12 at 2444 S. 21st Street

Heavy fire burns through a loading dock in the alley behind the building. Steve Redick photo

Chicago 4-11 Alarm massive fire at commercial warehouse facility 12-29-12 at 2444 S. 21st Street

Heavy fire seen throughout the building and through the roof from Sector 3 prior to companies operating on that side. Steve Redick photo

Chicago 4-11 Alarm massive fire at commercial warehouse facility 12-29-12 at 2444 S. 21st Street

An officer directs companies into the gravel lot off Cullerton Street in Sector 3. Steve Redick photo

 

Chicago 4-11 Alarm massive fire at commercial warehouse facility 12-29-12 at 2444 S. 21st Street Snorkel

Heavy fire burns throughout the building as Squad 1A takes position in Sector 3. Steve Redick photo

Chicago 4-11 Alarm massive fire at commercial warehouse facility 12-29-12 at 2444 S. 21st Street

A large diameter supply line is stretched to supply a master stream in Sector 3. Steve Redick photo

Chicago 4-11 Alarm massive fire at commercial warehouse facility 12-29-12 at 2444 S. 21st Street

Squad 1 positions their Snorkel. Steve Redick photo

Chicago 4-11 Alarm massive fire at commercial warehouse facility 12-29-12 at 2444 S. 21st Street

Firefighters elevate the basket of Tower Ladder 54 as they prepare to put the master stream to work. Steve Redick photo

 

Chicago 4-11 Alarm massive fire at commercial warehouse facility 12-29-12 at 2444 S. 21st Street

As Tower Ladder 54 is readied for a master stream, Truck 7 sits on the corner before being moved to allow Tower Ladder 10 to setup. Steve Redick photo

Chicago 4-11 Alarm massive fire at commercial warehouse facility 12-29-12 at 2444 S. 21st Street

Chicago Engine 26 secures a hydrant on 21st Street at Western Avenue. Steve Redick photo

Chicago 4-11 Alarm massive fire at commercial warehouse facility 12-29-12 at 2444 S. 21st Street

The thick smoke and heavy fire seems to turn day into night along 21st Street. Steve Redick photo

Chicago 4-11 Alarm massive fire at commercial warehouse facility 12-29-12 at 2444 S. 21st Street

Fire blows out of two sides of the three-story warehouse building. Steve Redick photo

Chicago 4-11 Alarm massive fire at commercial warehouse facility 12-29-12 at 2444 S. 21st Street

Truck 32 was rigged for aerial pipe operations but a decision was made instead to special call two additional tower ladders to the scene. Steve Redick photo

Chicago 4-11 Alarm massive fire at commercial warehouse facility 12-29-12 at 2444 S. 21st Street

A pair of Battalion buggies which will have to be repositioned as the fire spreads rapidly throughout the almost block-long building. Steve Redick photo

Chicago 4-11 Alarm massive fire at commercial warehouse facility 12-29-12 at 2444 S. 21st Street

Tower Ladder 54 goes to work at the corner of Western Avenue and 21st Street. Steve Redick photo

More of Steve’s images can be found HERE.

 

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Chicago 4-11 Alarm Fire 12-29-12 (pt 2)

Second article about the 4-11 Alarm fire on Saturday at 2444 W. 21st Place in Chicago.

Images from Larry Shapiro who arrived at the scene well after all of the other contributors in the first article.

4-11 alarm commercial building fire in Chicago 12-29-12 at 2444 W. 21st Street

After the roof and upper floors collapsed, heavy fire was concentrated in the ground floor. Larry Shapiro photo

4-11 alarm commercial building fire in Chicago 12-29-12 at 2444 W. 21st Street Chicago Tower Ladder 54

Engine 26 was at the corner of 21st Street and Western Avenue. Larry Shapiro photo

4-11 alarm commercial building fire in Chicago 12-29-12 at 2444 W. 21st Street

Thick black smoke clouds the sky as the fire burns a section of the roof at the east end of the fire building several hours into the fire. Larry Shapiro photo

4-11 alarm commercial building fire in Chicago 12-29-12 at 2444 W. 21st Street

Engine 28, a 1997 HME Luverne supplies Engine 103 from the 2300 block of Cullerton Street. Larry Shapiro photo

4-11 alarm commercial building fire in Chicago 12-29-12 at 2444 W. 21st Street

Engines 18 and 5 pump in-line to supply master streams from Sector 3 off Cullerton Street. Larry SHapiro photo

4-11 alarm commercial building fire in Chicago 12-29-12 at 2444 W. 21st Street

Engine 35 is feeding Tower Ladder 10 on Western Avenue. Larry Shapiro photo

4-11 alarm commercial building fire in Chicago 12-29-12 at 2444 W. 21st Street

Firefighters drag a line to put a multi-versal into operation in Sector 3. Larry Shapiro photo

4-11 alarm commercial building fire in Chicago 12-29-12 at 2444 W. 21st Street

Tower Ladder 39, in Sector 3, awaits water to put their master stream to work. Larry Shapiro photo

4-11 alarm commercial building fire in Chicago 12-29-12 at 2444 W. 21st Street

6-6-1, the reserve Snorkel housed with Engine 35, was special called to the scene almost immediately. Larry Shapiro photo

4-11 alarm commercial building fire in Chicago 12-29-12 at 2444 W. 21st Street

Command Van 2-7-1 is setup on Western Avenue. Larry Shapiro photo

4-11 alarm commercial building fire in Chicago 12-29-12 at 2444 W. 21st Street

The gas company brought a crew to the scene to dig under the street in order to shut down the gas to the building. Seen among the ruins in Sector 1, a gas fed fire burns freely. Larry Shapiro photo

Larry has a gallery of images HERE.

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Chicago 4-11 Alarm Fire 12-29-12 (pt 1)

Commercial fire today at 2441 W. 21st Street came in after 1PM. First units found a three-story, brick, commercial factory/warehouse well involved. The alarms quickly escalated to a 4-11 with an EMS Plan I and a Haz Mat Level I. The building was bounded on the west by railroad tracks and on the north by the elevated CTA tracks which were shut down for several hours. The EMS Plan was secured quickly and the 4-11 wasn’t struck out until roughly 4PM. Some companies remained on the scene throughout the night.

Two Snorkels (Squad 1 and the reserve Snorkel) were working along with four tower ladders (5, 10, 39 & 54).

We have a large amount of coverage from multiple contributors which will be posted in several posts tonight and tomorrow.

This from Josh Boyajian:

Even though I’m not at the scene, thought I would share these pics from Laramie and Ogden in Cicero of the header!

 

Chicago 4-11 Alarm fire at 2444 W. 21st Street 12-29-12

The header as seen from Cicero. Josh Boyajian photo

Chicago 4-11 Alarm fire at 2444 W. 21st Street 12-29-12

Chicago 4-11 Alarm fire at 2444 W. 21st Street 12-29-12 as seen from Cicero, IL. Josh Boyajian photo

This from Erick Haak:

Not much of a description needed other than the last photo is just as the wall collapsed.  Photos credited to Eric Haak.
Chicago 4-11 Alarm fire at 2444 W. 21st Street 12-29-12

Chicago Tower Ladder 54 working on 21st Street with a master Stream. Eric Haak photo

massive flames at Chicago 4-11 Alarm fire at 2444 W. 21st Street 12-29-12

Phenomenal fire in Sector 1 at the Chicago 4-11 Alarm fire at 2444 W. 21st Street 12-29-12. Eric Haak photo

Chicago 4-11 Alarm fire at 2444 W. 21st Street 12-29-12

The wall collapse in Sector 1 as seen from the west end of 21st Street. Eric Haak photo

Chicago 4-11 Alarm fire at 2444 W. 21st Street 12-29-12

The front wall collapses onto 21st Street at the 4-11 Alarm fire 12-29-12. Eric Haak photo

 

This from Dylan Konchan:
Hi my name is Dylan Konchan i got pics from the 4-11 alarm at 2441 W 21st there will be more to come by me
Chicago 4-11 Alarm fire at 2444 W. 21st Street 12-29-12

The west end of the structure as fire burns through the roof as seen from the north (Sector 3). Dylan Konchan photo

Seagrave Snorkel at Chicago 4-11 Alarm fire at 2444 W. 21st Street 12-29-12

The reserve Snorkel enters the lot behind the building in Sector 3 as heavy fire burns through the roof. Dylan Konchan photo

 

85' Snorkel goes to work at Chicago 4-11 Alarm fire at 2444 W. 21st Street 12-29-12

The reserve Snorkel (6-6-1) moves into position to go to work. Dylan Konchan photo

Chicago 4-11 Alarm fire at 2444 W. 21st Street 12-29-12

The reserve Snorkel is ready to work as an elevated master stream in Sector 3. Dylan Konchan photo

Chicago 4-11 Alarm fire at 2444 W. 21st Street 12-29-12

A glimpse of the heavy fire and thick smoke in Sector 3. Dylan Konchan photo

This from Drew Gresik:
Hey everyone,
I just took the ride into the City to check out the 4-11 with Level 1 Haz-Mat and EMS Plan 1 at 2444 W 21st Street. The header was huge, I saw it all the way in Berwyn on Ogden Avenue. When I got in the neighborhood of the fire, the Chicago Police had set a four block perimeter all around the fire building preventing any closeups of the scene. Staging is at 22nd and Western I believe. Traffic was really bad as one could have guessed. Here are some shots of the header and Engine 113 which was screaming down 22nd Street. Keep up the good work on the site guys!
From,
Drew Gresik
Chicago 4-11 Alarm fire at 2444 W. 21st Street 12-29-12 large smoke header in the sky

The header as seen from Berwyn. Drew Gresik photo

Chicago 4-11 Alarm fire at 2444 W. 21st Street 12-29-12

Heavy smoke seen from nearby. Drew Gresik photo

 

Chicago 4-11 Alarm fire at 2444 W. 21st Street 12-29-12

Large header as seen while driving to the fire. Drew Gresik photo

Chicago Engien 113 at the Chicago 4-11 Alarm fire at 2444 W. 21st Street 12-29-12

Engine 113 nearing the scene of the 4-11 Alarm fire on Deember 29, 2012. Drew Gresik photo

Chicago 4-11 Alarm fire at 2444 W. 21st Street 12-29-12

Flames and heavy smoke seen from several blocks away. Drew Gresik photo

 

This from Steve Redick:
Chicago 2444 w 21st St today…Mill Constructed furniture warehouse…a quick photo and a link to my video with radio traffic. Lot’s more to come…stay tuned…..
massive fire and heavy smoke at the Chicago 4-11 Alarm fire at 2444 W. 21st Street 12-29-12

Firestorm conditions with heavy wind, intense flames and thick smoke in Sector 1 of the 4-11 Alarm fire at 2444 W. 21st Street in Chicago. Steve Redick photo

Steve Redick video:

This from Dave Weaver:

Anatomy of the 4-11: 13:08 E23 looking for rubbish 2500 W. Cullerton St. / Full Still b/o Main FAO for 2444 W. 21st St. » 13:13 Still & Box Alarm b/o Batt 4 for 3 story 200×100 smoke on 2nd fl and heavy smoke from several 1st fl windows » 13:20 2-11 Alarm b/o 2-2-1 reports heavy fire throughout 3 story warehouse 200×150 » Companies go defensive » Batt 2 requests CTA Pink Line be shut down » 13:31 2-2-1 requests additional TL and reserve snorkel » Corrected size-up by 2-2-1 is at least 300×150 » 13:38 3-11 Alarm b/o 2-1-28 plus 2 additional TLs » 13:45 4-11 Alarm / EMS Plan 1 / Level 1 HazMat b/o 2-1-28 » 13:58 2-7-1/Batt 4 4 master streams on West side of building making little progress » 14:00 EMS Plan 1 secured b/o 2-1-28 » 14:04 2-1-3 in command / All officers switch to Ch 5 Command » 14:30 2-7-1/2-1-3 11 master streams working, gas company digging in Sector 1 to shut off main, 1 line to sprinkler system in Sector 4

Radio traffic:

Dave Weaver video:

Apologies to all about the late hour of this post and delay in getting all the information together.

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Vintage CFD video – Snorkels

The Chicago Civil Defense Homepage posted this video recently about Chicago Fire Commissioner Robert J. Quinn and the introduction of the Snorkel to the fire service.

 

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A Commentary: CFD apparatus history – part 3 of 3

Part 3 of a commentary by Bill Post on the Chicago Fire Department history: Part 1 can be found HERE and Part 2 can be found HERE.

While Fire Commissioner Quinn did put the six Flying Manpower Squads in service, he (understandably) decided to keep Snorkel Squad 1 in service. Instead, Snorkel 2 was taken out of service and less then a year before the Maatman Report recommendations were implemented, five additional salvage squads were put in service.  When the Flying Manpower Squads were put in service during 1969, Salvage Squad 1 (the squad that the consultant wanted retained) was taken out of service on May 1, 1969. That was the day that Flying Manpower Squad 4 was put in service; in fact they went in service using Salvage Squad 1’s 1954 AutoCar Squad.
Rescue 3 (the remnants of Snorkel Squad 3) also went out of service on that day. While the 1968 Maatman report was released in November of 1968 and the recommended six Flying Manpower Squads were all in service by November of 1969, Fire Commissioner Bob Quinn hadn’t acted to take Snorkel 6 out of service and he hadn’t even moved Snorkel 4 from Engine 25 to Engine 67. The south side still had more then one Snorkel assigned to it despite Snorkel 2 going out of service in February of 1969.
On March 9, 1970, Truck 31 was relocated out of Engine 104’s south loop fire station to a new station on the far southwest side. Snorkel 4 was relocated from Engine 25 to Engine 104 on the same day. On July 7, 1970, the brick wall of a multi-story vacant factory (in the 1700 block of north Ashland Avenue) collapsed on Snorkel 7 as they were pouring water on the smoldering ruins from a 5-11 alarm fire the previous day. Snorkel 7 was a total loss, and Firefighter Jack Walsh eventually succumbed to injuries sustained during the collapse. Snorkel 7 was never replaced and Snorkel 5 was the remaining Snorkel on the north side of Chicago.
Several months later, early in 1971, the fire department’s consultant Gerald Maatman released a follow-up progress report and review of the fire department’s compliance with the 1968 report. While many of the recommendations contained in the 1968 report had been followed, a few items had not been administered. Since Fire Commissioner Quinn had opted to keep Snorkel Squad 1 in service and instead took Snorkel 2 and Salvage Squad 1 out of service, the consultant recommended that Snorkel Squad 1 be relocated to Engine 5’s house.
Snorkel Squad 1 wasn’t relocated and stayed at 1044 N. Orleans despite the recommendation. So Commissioner Quinn not only kept Snorkel Squad 1 in service, but he kept it in the original location (as long as he was the fire commissioner). The 1971 Maatman report did recommend that a 7th Flying Manpower Squad be put in service at Engine 108’s quarters on the far northwest side. Flying Manpower Squad 5 (as it would be known) was supposed to cover the far northwest side from Engine 7 and Truck 58’s house. It was never located there but instead had been put in service at Engine 114’s old station at Fullerton and Central Park. This was really too far southeast to adequately cover the far northwest side.
Chicago’s Flying Manpower Squads were all using old pumpers from the 1950s and late 1940s, and really weren’t carrying much squad-type equipment as was recommended in the 1968 report. The consultant had made specific recommendations as to exactly the types of and amounts of equipment that the Flying Manpower Squads should be carrying and had even included general specifications as to what type of apparatus they should be using.
There were still six Salvage Squads that were in service and the consultant had recommended that Salvage Squads 6 and 7 be taken out of service as they were in areas that were normally covered by the Flying Squads, which was redundant.
Last but not least, two truck companies (43 and 46) that had been recommended in the previous reports to be taken out of service were still active. The space that these were occupying had been recommended in 1968 to have Snorkel companies. Once again, it was recommend that these two trucks be taken out of service.
Snorkel 4 was supposed to be relocated to Engine 67 (Truck 46) and Snorkel 7 was supposed to have been relocated to Engine 110 (Truck 43) along with Flying Squad 6. Snorkel 4 couldn’t be relocated as long as those two trucks were in service. On November 16, 1971, Trucks 46 and 43 were finally taken out of service and Snorkel 6 was relocated from Engine 46 on the southeast side to Engine 110 on the north side. Snorkel 6 was originally recommended to be taken out of service, but since Snorkel 7 was destroyed in July of 1970, Snorkel 6 was relocated instead.
Snorkel 4 wasn’t relocated to Engine 67 until June of 1972 however. After June of 1972, not only was Snorkel 3 the only Snorkel left on the south side, but Snorkel 4, which had been in the south loop and was second-due on the south side, was now much further away since they were now on the far west side. It was ironic that now there were two Snorkels on the north side, one on the west side, and only one on the south side. There were no Snorkels downtown, unless you counted Snorkel Squad 1 with their 50-foot Snorkel on the near north side. To be fair about it, Snorkel 5 was located in a high fire frequency area back then and Snorkel 6 was also just west of a high fire frequency zone.
Since the south side was so far away from a second Snorkel company, Snorkel 5 was automatically relocated to Snorkel 3 on a Still and Box Alarm when Snorkel 3 was due on it. Snorkel 5 wasn’t relocated to Engine 5 (from Engine 57) until about two and a half years later in January of 1975. This at least brought them closer to the south side by putting them in the west loop. Two years later in 1977, Snorkel 5 was once again relocated, this time to the west side at Engine 23’s house. It wasn’t until April of 1981 that the south side had regained a second Snorkel. The new Snorkel 4 (using Snorkel Squad 1’s 1975 Hendrickson Pierce 55-foot Snorkel) was put in service at Engine 123’s station.
One month later, Snorkel 3 was renumbered as Snorkel 5 (to match the new fire district that it was assigned to) and was relocated to Engine 72’s station. In May of 1981, each Snorkel was renumbered and relocated to match each of the five new fire districts where they located. The new districts had replaced the seven old fire divisions on April 11,1981. Snorkel 5 became Snorkel 1, Snorkel 4 became Snorkel 2, Snorkel 6 became Snorkel 3, Snorkel 4 was a new company, and Snorkel 3 become Snorkel 5. Snorkel Squad 1 had been taken out of service on Oct 3, 1980.
So Mike, Commissioner Quinn had literally saved Snorkel Squad 1 and kept them from going out of service in 1969, and he did delay relocating some of the other Snorkels, but after Snorkel 7 was destroyed he had to relocate Snorkel 6 to the north side. Once again the city didn’t want to hire more firefighters to properly staff all of the fire companies after 1967, so Gerald Maatman the consultant was told to find a way to run the fire department on the same budget without having to hire more men.
Some of his recommendations were good which included adding useful equipment like K-12 saws and ladder pipes to trucks, and multi-versals to engines. He also recommended that air masks be put on the engines and trucks, which the CFD was extremely slow in doing. This didn’t really occur until the late 1970s and early 1980s. On some of the basic concepts, the CFD was way behind other fire departments.
Most of the new fire stations that were built in the 1970s were due to recommendations of the report. Engine 70 and Truck 47’s new house was recommended by Maatman in 1968. If the city would have been willing to hire more firefighters, then the report wouldn’t have had to organize four-man company districts and recommend that special companies be cut. By the way, did you know that in 1968, the last full year that Snorkel Squad 3 and Snorkel Squad 2 were in service, they were the busiest companies in Chicago. Snorkel Squad 3 had 5,952 incidents and Snorkel Squad 2 had gone out on 5,117 runs.
This wasn’t bad when you consider that Snorkel Squad 3 hadn’t been running with a Snorkel since January of 1967 and Snorkel Squad 2 had also stopped running with a Snorkel by mid 1968. In those years, all the styles of squads that Chicago had been running with were automatically dispatched to still alarms with the engines and trucks. They didn’t wait for a confirmation of a working fire, so there were an awful lot of “hold the squad” messages and squad turn backs.
As the Snorkel Squads were the only rigs with the K-12 saws, multi-versals, and back mounted air masks, you would have all three of the Snorkel Squads respond on the same 2-11 alarms citywide. In 1967 and 1968 they first started putting power saws on the truck companies and multi-versals on the engines, so there was less of a dependence on the Snorkel Squads for that basic type of equipment. Air masks weren’t put on engines and trucks until the latter half of the 1970s.

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Thoughts on CFD apparatus needs – a commentary (update)

More from Bill Post:

(In response to a comment from Martin)

I too like the idea of utilizing Pierce products and technology. Here is one of the reasons. As some of you may know, Pierce has recently acquired the marketing and servicing rights to the Bronto Skylift platforms. In other words, they are now Bronto’s North American representative. Currently Bronto/Pierce is marketing only three types or heights of platforms which are 100-foot, 114-foot and 134-foot Skylifts. However, the Bronto Corporation, which is based in Finland, actually manufactures aerial platforms that go from 55 to 367 feet. Their shorter models which go from 55 to 91 feet seem to be close to ideal. The Bronto actually is a type of Snorkel as it is an articulating boom with telescopic features (or vice versa). Their shorter model platforms, actually in practice have been mounted on squad-type trucks in the overseas fire service market. So, it can be done, and all that Pierce would need to do is have one of smaller Bronto platforms shipped to them. Then, they mount one on a Pierce chassis. Of course the platform would have to meet American standards, but in the long run, that shouldn’t be a problem.

Bronto Skylift 17M (55-foot) aerial

Bronto Skylift 17M (55-foot) aerial. Bronto photo

Bronto Skylift 17M (55-foot) aerial

Bronto Skylift 17M (55-foot) aerial. Bronto photo

Bronto Skylift 17M (55-foot) aerial

Bronto Skylift 17M (55-foot) aerial. Bronto photo

Bronto Skylift 17M (55-foot) aerial

Bronto Skylift 17M (55-foot) aerial. Bronto photo

Memphis Fire Department Pierce Snorkel

Here is a photo of Memphis Rescue 3 that Bill Post mentioned. It is a 55' refurbished Snorkel mounted on a '07 Pierce Dash chassis/body. Larry Shapiro photo

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