Two of the three cars involved in the accident were this sedan and SUV. The sedan passengers were able to get out of their car while two in the SUV needed to be extricated. Larry Shapiro photo
Shortly after noon today the Glenview Fire Department was notified of a multi-vehicle accident with a rollover and entrapment in the 2900 block of Glenview Road. Unconfirmed reports are that the police department had a cellphone caller advise of an erratic driver and while on the phone the caller may have witnessed the accident. Glenview Fire responded with two engines, two ambulances, a truck, and Battalion 6. Upon arrival at the scene two additional ambulances were requested and a third engine for manpower.
Firefighters assess the condition of the third car at the scene and the injured occupant. Larry Shapiro photo
A panoramic view of the scene shows all of the vehicles involved. Larry Shapiro photo
A Jeep SUV was on top of one sedan and a third vehicle was about 3o feet down the road with extensive damage. Companies began two extrications; one to free the driver of the car and the second to free two patients from the SUV. The three occupants of the car underneath the SUV were out of the vehicle when units arrived.
As firefighters and paramedics access the patients and the damage, stabilization of the SUV begins. Larry Shapiro photo
Firefighters begin to separate the roof of the Toyotya Camry as a medic accompanies the patient inside. Larry Shapiro photo
A total of six patients were transported with perhaps three in critical or serious condition. The extrications were completed within roughly 20 minutes.
One patient from the SUV is packaged as firefighters continue to work to free the passenger. Larry Shapiro photo
A patient is taken to an ambulance for transport to an area hospital. Larry Shapiro photo
Simultaneous extrications take place to free additional patients. Larry Shapiro photo
Debris from the collision and the extrications is scattered throughout the street and sidewalk. Larry Shapiro photo
Another patient has been freed from the wreckage and is prepared for the trip to a hospital. Larry Shapiro photo
The extrication of the Camry's driver was involved. Larry Shapiro photo
After the patients were extricated, firefighters begin to pickup all of the tools used to cut and stabilize the vehicles. Larry Shapiro photo
The Cook County Sheriff's Police has jurisdiction of the crash site in an unincorporated section of Glenview and began their investigation after the fire department picked up. Larry Shapiro photo
Larry Shapiro and Tim Olk were both at the scene. Larry’s photos can be seen HERE, and Tim’s can be seen HERE.
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#1 by glynch on January 2, 2012 - 8:03 PM
glenview engine six is now a new 2010 rescue pumper
#2 by Scott Peterson on December 23, 2011 - 7:38 PM
I will not Monday morning quarterback anything that happened on that call or the patient care. For the “professional” on here if indeed your a firefighter, think of the calls in your career; how many vehicle accidents have you had that have been perfect, by the book?
I am a full advocate for safety and doing the right thing, but EVERY accident is different and is not sterile like the monday night extrication drill with no patients, timelines or hazards. Things do get missed and every good Dept. learns from them. Our safety & patient care is the most important item. No Fire Dept members injured, no further injuries to the patients because of anything the FD did or did not do. I am NOT a member of Glenview or in MABAS Div 3, but having been at plenty of accidents of all types over 22yrs full-time in the fire service I’d say they-GLENVIEW FD, did a dam good job! I couldn’t agree more with everyone except you Keith! The first thing they teach you in ANY Safety officer class is do NOT be the Turnout gear police.
This web-site should not be to critique any negatives of anyone’s actions for this call or others on this web-site. Others should do the same as this site is for sharing of pictures, dept facts and other FD info. This site is a photo journal/blog. It should not turn into a bitch session as other forums have evolved into!
#3 by Daniel Vazzak on December 21, 2011 - 9:37 PM
Wow Keith…so you start off by saying you’re not criticizing….and then spend 2 full paragraphs pointing out things that are wrong. Something smells like a whacker volly, and I think it’s you.
#4 by Keith on December 21, 2011 - 3:09 PM
Ok, everyone took my opinion out of context and I feel that there needs to be some clarification made on my comments. I WAS NOT criticizing the lack of safety vests! I stated quote: “I’m the last to be a safety Nazi with the vests on.” Nor was I criticizing the Glenview Fire Department. I was just observing some unsafe acts or reinforcing things that are often overlooked. Some pics DID have crews operating WITHOUT eye protection or helmets on, not the end of the world and I’m not the PPE Police. I didn’t observe a manned charged handline, not saying there wasn’t. As far as the vehicle stabilization, I was referring to the Pontiac sedan under the SUV that everyone was standing on working off of. I acknowledged the Rescue 42’s, aka “stabilizer bars”on the SUV. If the SUV had shifted, could it have moved the car underneath it everyone was standing on? Food for thought. I understand time is an essence, ie: the Golden Hour, when critically injured, pulseless or not breathing patients are trapped in vehicles. But when there is sufficient manpower on the scene, steps that protect MY crew, as a company officer, from preventable senseless injuries shouldn’t be skipped.
And lastly, I disagree with Patrick’s comments to an extent. Yes company officers SHOULD be competent and observant of their crew and surrondings, but this was a multi operation incident with 2 seperate extrications involved. The Incident Commander has his own responsibilities requesting additional resources, establishing staging areas, assigning incoming companies, ect… Maybe a company or chief officer overseeing operations can / could oversee safety. There is a thing called complacency in the fire service where people do stupid things and like it or not Safety Officers ARE needed even for a vehicle extrication. Yes they SHOULD NOT micromanage and allow company officers to oversee their assigned tasks. Their obligation or assignment is to oversee any emminent hazards whether incident scence or crew caused and point them out. As a company officer your executing Plan A and thinking of a Plan B and perhaps Plan C if things don’t go right. So no matter how perfect or vigilant you are, things may still be overlooked. Again, I was not there, so I am not criticizing the operations of the Glenview Fire Department, nor the outcome of the incident. I think they performed a phenomenal job for the chaos they faced, all in 20 minutes. It reflects their professionalism and training. I was making observations from the pics posted for conversation.
#5 by Lita on December 21, 2011 - 1:02 PM
I understand that they probably should have been wearing vests but I know that one of the people in one of the cars did not have a pulse so the fire department was more worried about getting that person out and saving their life and isn’t that what they are there for
#6 by Bill on December 20, 2011 - 9:54 AM
They did a great job. What struck me about what you said, there was no safety officer and no vests being worn. That is a huge problem with some fire departments. They are so consumed with making sure everyone is wearing a vest and making sure each role is filled. The entire time forgeting about the fire that is still burning, the people needing rescue, or the person in cardiac arrest.
Safety vests are a huge safety concern at a pin-in. I personally feel that they can get in the way and jeopardise safety of the firefighter. If I was an officer or chief, i would recommend at a pin-in not wearing vests. In essense during a pin-in the streets are completely shut for our safety.
I applaude Glenview for the great job.
#7 by Drew Smith on December 19, 2011 - 8:01 PM
I echo many of Patrick’s comments. GLENVIEW FD: Job well done. As you can see on this blog, other extrication sites have posted this story as a “what would you do?” brainteaser.
If this were my FD I would not expect vests on this call, street is closed. Cars look stabile to me? Probably can do a better job any time but it’s a risk vs. benefit decision made in seconds not minutes.
A photo is a snap shot in time. I looked at all 191 of Larry’s and all of Tim’s (Tim got there after the extrication was completed) and I don’t see any red flags. I will give Keith credit for the lack of a charged line as I did not see one in any picture but that does not mean it wasn’t there. In fact, in many of Larry’s shots I see the guys working tools wearing safety glasses, the absolute gold standard in eye protection.
By the way, I expect my company officers to be the safety officers on every call. Turnout gear police are not effective safety officers.
#8 by Pat on December 19, 2011 - 2:09 PM
Well, that is what is wrong with the fire service today. A safety officer on a vehicle extrication, are you kidding me? The guy on the tool does have safety goggles on and the street is blocked off so you tell me what safety vests would do? I understand having them on at night on dark roads or expressways, but lets not go overboard. Every person working the actual extrication part had bunkers and helmets, can you really ask for much more? Also if you look at the SUV upside down, they do have a stabilizer bar on it, if you knew what you were looking for. And lastly, the bottom pictures of the single car they cut the roof off, the front of the car is to the ground. The engine block is touching the ground, I can pretty much say that the car is not going anywhere. That is what good company officers and chiefs look for, why waste time cribbing a car that doesn’t need it. If I was in that car I would be very happy with them taking the extra time to get me out. Also I am not on Glenview FD so that is not why I am defending them. I just always see people pick apart pictures for anything safety related. What if you got pulled over every time you went even 1 mph over the speed limit? Going over the speed limit is not safe. Firefighting is a dangerous job, and people know that before signing up.
#9 by Keith on December 19, 2011 - 9:33 AM
Yes I’m sure the Glenview Fire Department did a great job operating on this chaotic extrication, but where was their Safety Officer at? I’m the last to be a safety Nazi with the vests on…ect, but looking at the pics there’s also a lack of FULL PPE including EYE PROTECTION worn. I don’t see a charged manned handline anywhere. Although you can see the Rescue 42 jacks in place, there is a lack of proper vehicle stabilization with firefighters climbing on cars, ie: step chocks or cribbing under the other vehicles. I’m not addressing these issues to point fault but to remind everyone of safety precautions that can be overlooked which prevent us from unnecessary injuries. I do commend Glenview for having adequate manpower and resources on the scene though!
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