An article in the Chicago Sun-Times now addresses overtime costs by the fire department with alderman grilling CFD Fire Commissioner Santiago.
The Chicago Fire Department will spend $43 million on overtime this year — more than double the amount authorized — because of “legal issues” tied to past discrimination lawsuits that prevented the department from hiring firefighters, a top mayoral aide said Monday.
The Chicago Sun-Times reported Friday that Chicago will hold its first firefighters entrance exam in eight years in 2014 amid runaway overtime that has gone from $13.5 million in 2011 to a projected $35.3 million in 2014. Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s 2013 budget includes $20 million for Fire Department overtime. But Chicago Fire Commissioner Jose Santiago acknowledged Monday that actual overtime spending will be $43 million.
“There was a series of legal issues that the Fire Department had to work through with the Law Department that actually effectively stopped us from hiring. The city of Chicago could not hire firefighters,” said Santiago, on the hot seat at City Council budget hearings.
“We have resolved those issues. . . . Nov. 18, we will have 150 people at the academy to start attacking this overtime. We have a series of classes after that. As soon as one class gets to the halfway point, we will have another class [of] 150 people. And then, another class. This should be able to take care of all the vacancies that are there and any of the people who start to retire later on.”
Santiago projected that 245 firefighters will retire in 2013. Full strength — including uniformed and civilian employees — is roughly 5,100. The Fire Department currently has 4,700 employees.
Ald. Scott Waguespack (32nd) questioned why there wasn’t more pushback from the Fire Department, considering the minimum-staffing requirement that triggered the bitter 1980 firefighters strike. The firefighters contract requires that every piece of fire apparatus be staffed by at least five employees.
In marathon contract talks, Emanuel has insisted that “double houses” that include both engines and trucks be staffed by nine firefighters instead of 10. The Chicago Firefighters Union Local 2 has strongly resisted the change.
“When you were having discussions with the Law Department, did anybody bring up the fact that you might have to do more overtime to make up for the loss of manpower? . . . Did anybody do a calculation of what that effect might be?” Waguespack said.
First Deputy Fire Commissioner Charles Stewart said no such calculation was done. But Santiago stressed that the alarm was sounded during “many meetings” with the Law Department and the Office of Budget and Management. “We constantly brought up the fact that we have a problem here. We can’t hire. We have people retiring. You’ve got to help us out. We have a hiring plan we put together and we could not implement it,” Santiago said.
“Many meetings were conducted. It was always brought up to them [that], ‘We need help somehow. We need to hire people or the overtime is going to go right through the ceiling,’ which it has.”
Waguespack persisted, wondering whether it was “mandatory not to hire” or optional. Stewart replied, “It was strongly recommended that, until the legal issues are resolved, that we not hire a class. We made sure they were aware of manning needs. But that was their recommendation we had to follow.”
Earlier this year, the City Council agreed to spend nearly $2 million — and $1.7 million more in legal fees — to compensate dozens of women denied firefighter jobs because of a discriminatory test of physical abilities that City Hall has now scrapped. Last year, Chicago borrowed the $78.4 million needed to compensate nearly 6,000 African-American would-be firefighters bypassed by the city’s discriminatory handling of a 1995 entrance exam. The borrowing compounded the cost of a settlement that was twice as high as anticipated.
The city had already agreed to hire 111 bypassed black firefighters. The cash damages went to about 5,900 others who never got that chance.
Older firefighters are not the only problem confronting the Fire Department. There’s also the issue of aging equipment.
The “desired” life span for fire engines and hook-and-ladders is six years. In Chicago, the average for both is just over 11 years. For fire trucks, the ideal life span is 7.5 years. In Chicago, the average age is 15 years. Ambulances are supposed to last 2.5 years but have been on the street in Chicago for 6.2 years.
The city expects to purchase 25 new ambulances this year and has “re-chassised” four others, Santiago said.
Also on Monday, Santiago reassured aldermen that the Fire Department is meeting state mandates by responding to fires in an average of 3 minutes and 35 seconds and to medical emergencies in 5 minutes and 5 seconds.
“We base that measure on how long it takes the first fire company to arrive after the alarm goes out,” the commissioner said.
In a recent report, Inspector General Joe Ferguson measured it differently, then accused the Fire Department of response times that fail to meet national standards.
That prompted Ald. Anthony Beale (9th) to put Santiago on notice.
“I want you to work with the inspector general to make sure that, when the next report comes out, the 9th Ward is not reflected as being last” in response times, Beale said.
“Even though we’re only talking seconds, when somebody’s life is on the line, seconds count. Do whatever you have to do to make sure that, if there’s a problem, it’s fixed. Obviously, there’s a problem with how we’re adding or subtracting these numbers. Fix this problem. Please do not come back next year with the 9th Ward being last.”
thanks Dan
#1 by Bill Post on November 21, 2013 - 11:35 AM
NJ all that I know it that this year the CFD did at least sent Firehouse magazine it runs for the busiest company in each basic catergory (Engine ,Truck, Chief, Squad, Ambulance and Haz Mat Unit) which is something that they didn’t send out last year (2012).
The Chicago Civil Defense Website does put in good information and documents at times and this site does print things (when they get something as well).
The Chicago Fire Department otherwise runs a very dry website and there are much better fire department run websites around the country.
This website and the Chicago Civil Defense Website are among the best around and make up for the for the City of Chicago’s poor site.
Not only do the firefighters and the fans like to see the run stats so that there are inter fire company comparisons but different cities and different fire departments have traditionally compared the run stats of their companies as part of inter city and inter department rivalries.
#2 by NJ on November 20, 2013 - 8:28 AM
Bill, so why is CFD/Chicago so anal about not releasing their run stats at least?
#3 by tom sullivan on November 20, 2013 - 8:25 AM
let’s hope they don’t go as far back as they did in the mid 1970s. there were still 1953 macks & fwds running with a few companies. e-56, 70,71, 110, 112 come to mind. the city probably could say they were spare rigs, but the truth was these companies didn’t have a “regular” assigned rig for several years at that point. there were fwd tractor aerials (with wooden ladders) still running into the early 70s. the condition of those rigs were terrible, literally falling apart on the street !
#4 by CFD 1979 on November 19, 2013 - 11:12 PM
Current companies with engines that would be considered “old”:
1995 Spartan Luverne:
E50
1997 HME Luverne:
E28
E80
E94
E104
E121
1998 HME Luverne:
E11
E59
E74
E103
1999 HME Luverne:
E39
E102
#5 by Bill Post on November 19, 2013 - 7:24 PM
Michael M , the oldest frontline Engine in service is actually even older then that as it is a 1995 Spartan Luverne that is running as Engine 50. What’s more it had replaced a newer Engine which a was a 1998 model HME Luverne. The current Engine 50 was assigned to Engine 89 which is one of the slowest Engines in the city and the HME Luvernes aren’t very popular with the crews as they have a tighter crew cab then the Spartans so they were given an older but a roomier rig.
Now days that Chicago fire department looks like it has gone to a rig replacement system that also looks at the mileage and wear factors on the rigs as well as the age. That is one of the reasons that the Chicago fire department had begun a policy in the early 2000’s of continually replacing some of the busier ALS Engines every few years so that they would be handed down to less busy Engines and the rig would last longer. Engines 116, 117, 93 and several others were getting new Engines every 3 or 4 years however since then the new Engine orders have slowed down and that is basically a money issue. Chicago’s front line Engines had been averaging about 12 years of age until a few years ago however now the average age has been going up. After the lone 1995 Spartan Luverne rig at Engine 50 Chicago still has 5 1997 HME Luverne Engines in service plus there are 4 1998 and 2 1999 HME Luverne (short wheel base) Engines in service. Those Engines are pushing it in terms of age as the National Protection Association feels that 10 to 15 years for an Engine and about 15 years in service for a Truck company would be part of a “normal life expectancy” in front line service however that would also be dependent on how busy the company is and ultimately on how much the city can afford , but either way over 15 years in front line service for an Engine or a Truck in Chicago is pushing it.
“The normal life expectancy for first line fire apparatus will vary from city to city, depending upon the amount of use of the equipment and the adequacy of the maintenance program. In general, a 10 to 15 year life expectancy is considered normal for first line pumping engines. First line ladder trucks have a normal life expectancy of 15 years. In some areas of high fire frequency, a limit of only 10 years may be reasonable for first line service. The older apparatus may be maintained as part of the required reserve as long as it is in good condition, but in almost no case should much reliance be placed on any apparatus more than 25 years of age.”
– NFPA Fire Protection Handbook, 18th Edition
#6 by Bill Post on November 19, 2013 - 3:35 PM
NJ yes I know that the New York CIty FIre department publishes it run statistics and they even publish the top 25 Engines and Trucks runs and workers list in their annual reports.
Up until the late 1960’s the old Chicago Firefighter Magazine would publish the previous years run statistics for all of the companies (including the Ambulances) every year.
During the years that Harold Washington was the Mayor from 1983 through 1987 Chicago actually was transparent in terms of the Chicago FIre Department. In 1986 and 1987 the Chicago Fire Department had printed a complete property report for both of those years which not only included complete inventory of every fire apparatus that the Fire Department had owned (at the time) but had even listed how much was paid for each apparatus and how much it was worth. The property report also included all of the Fire Department owed automobiles and Ambulances and even included their plans to remount the 1966 Pirsch Aerial Ladders onto the new Ford/PIrsch chassis and their plans to rehab the 10 Mack/Howe short wheel base Engines and the 6 remaining Ward La France 2000 GPM pumpers.
#7 by NJ on November 18, 2013 - 8:40 AM
Bill,
CFD (City of Chicago) does not like to release any data if they can avoid it. CFD run records are the hardest to get of any major FD that I know. FDNY puts them online.
#8 by Danny on November 18, 2013 - 3:27 AM
Cfd ain’t like fdny they don’t replace something cause it’s 10 years old cd ran 1970’s seagraves front line into the early 2000s
The Cfd had ways bought rigs in spurts. And even went the way of refurbs instead of new purchase in the late 80’s and early 90s with 10 1974 Mack mb-600/1988 emergency one engines then the 6 rehabbed ward lafrance between 88 and 90 on the engine side. On the truck side they bought 4 new ford chassis in 88 and mounted the pirsch ladders off the 1966 c-85 mid mount macks and from 91-94 they sent 22 seagrave rearmounts ranging from 1969 to 1982 model years and also sent off 2 1973 American lafrance rearmounts off for refurb
#9 by Michael M on November 18, 2013 - 1:10 AM
To my knowledge it looks like the last new engines were delivered in 2010 and 2011. Does the CFD have any plans to start replacing engines again? There are still engines in service from 1998,99,01 and 02.
#10 by Bill Post on November 13, 2013 - 11:26 PM
Speaking about fire versus ems runs in Chicago, I think that there is no question that the majority of the runs are for EMS services. I haven’t seen the latest of the individual company statistics for a breakdown of the runs however the last stats that I had seen from several years ago had only broken down the runs to “Fire” and “Non FIre” Emergencies which of course would include EMS runs.
New York City does a much more thorough job ,breaking down the company runs statistics. When they release the company run totals (in New York City) from the previous year they breakdown the totals into 5 categories and they are Runs, EMS, Workers, Occupied Structure Workers and “All Hands Fires” which are the equivalent to a Still and Box Alarm in Chicago. That way you really know what kind of alarms the companies are going out on. In 2010 of the 20 busiest Engines in Chicago that year only 2 of the 20 busiest Engines were not ALS companies and they were Engine 101 in 11th place and Engine 107 in 20th place. In 2010 the top 5 Engines in terms of total runs were Engines 38,116,54,122 and 68. Those are the most recent rankings that I have and those weren’t even broken down into fire and non fire emergencies so that you could differentiate between the companies that had more fires versus more EMS runs.
#11 by Chuck on November 13, 2013 - 7:25 PM
They are probably doing a fire exam for the same reasons they did the last one – they have run out of qualified minority candidates yet again. They are STILL under the 1 white / 1 minority hiring standard that they have been under since the 1980’s. Every test they have had since 1982 , white males have ended up getting screwed, regardless of their score on the test, because they change the rules in mid-procedure to accommodate minority candidates.
#12 by NJ on November 13, 2013 - 8:24 AM
While not 100% definitive, the fact that they’re doing a FF exam and setting up academy classes for FF’s and not medics strongly suggests the vast majority of that is the fire side.
#13 by Chuck on November 12, 2013 - 9:36 PM
Truck 6 and Truck 12 were put into service due to the fact that when the City went to 4 engines and 4 trucks on high rise stills, they were having to chase the 3rd and 4 trucks from excessive distances. And I would like to see them break down what percentage of the overtime is Fire Suppression related and how much of it is EMS related. It has ALWAYS been cheaper to pay OT than hire. I know, because hired on in 1988 as a paramedic, I MANDATORILY (low man on the totem pole, couldn’t say no,) worked my 1st 10 Daley Days on the ambulance, at a salary about 1/6th of what I would have been making now, and I was a terrifically happy camper.
#14 by Scott on November 12, 2013 - 4:17 PM
Thanks for the follow-up on the 9th ward. While I admire your data and stats as well as past history, with the Tri-Data report in 1999 and past studies, in my opinion some of that data may not be as valid because of changes over 14+yrs to some of the neighborhoods. I will agree, some are probably the same (if not worse) now then 1999, but others may be better and may have seen change (such as the destruction of the Robert Taylor Homes, Cabrini Green, the CHA development by the United Center-(Henry Horner???) as well as the drastic neighborhood changes by UIC and neighborhoods around there. Just small examples, but change has occurred and will continue- with demographics and construction.
Finally, in regards to Trk 12 going OOS, wasn’t Trk 6 re-organized back at 13’s house cause they didn’t want to admit they made a mistake as well as eventually re-organizing Trk 12 up north?
#15 by Bill Post on November 11, 2013 - 2:59 AM
Jim for your information at the time of the in house study done in the mid 1980’s the Chicago Fire department had 99 Engine companies and 60 Truck companies in service. The study had recommended that 5 new fire stations be built on the southside and that several fire companies be relocated to different fire stations.
The 1986 study had also recommended that 2 Engine companies be taken our of service and replaced by 2 new Truck companies and also to have a third new Truck company be put in service as well , which would have been a net gain of one fire company. So had those recommendations been followed Chicago would have gone from 99 Engines and 60 Truck companies to 97 Engines and 63 Truck companies. Engine 20 and 63 both would have been taken out of service and replaced by new Truck companies that would have been put in service on the far south side. Engine 100 would have remained in service however as Engine 63’s current quarters was built only 2 blocks north of Engine 100’s quarters.
The 1999 Tri Data Corporation study did not include a “detailed fire station location analysis” however they felt that amount of fire stations Chicago had and the general deployment of Engines and Trucks was “about right strategically”. The report did admit that there might be a need to do “some fine tuning of station locations if and when stations get rebuilt” however they were not asked to look into that. The study did note that arrival times between the first and second due companies in Chicago was “excellent” and that on the average the second due Engine would arrive in less then 3 minutes after the first due Engine however they also admitted that the arrival times in the 6th District on the far south side were on the “higher end of the range”. The arrival times of the second due Engines in Chicago was from 1 minute 34 second to 4 minutes and 16 seconds while the average was 2 minutes and 52 seconds.
#16 by Bill Post on November 10, 2013 - 11:51 PM
Jim the latest study that I’m familiar with was the Tri Data corporation study from 1999 and they didn’t recommend adding or subtracting any Engines or Trucks from the fleet however they did suggest to consider adding a second Haz Mat unit that was done in early 2005.
At the time of the Tri Data report the CFD had 98 (land based) Engine companies in service and 59 Truck companies in service. Since then three Engine companies have been taken out of service (Engines 100,77 and 61) and two new Truck companies (Trucks 6 and 12) and a second Haz Mat company were put in service in their place. While did lose three Engine companies we gained three other companies , so numerically speaking we still have the same amount of fire companies that we had in 1999.
Currently the CFD runs with 95 Engine companies and 61 Truck companies plus 2 Haz Mat companies as well as 4 Squads if you count Squad 7 at O’Hare Field.
The last several contracts between Local 2 and city stipulates that the no less then the same amount of fire companies remain in service as were in service when the contract was agreed to and signed.
The last time that fire companies were taken out of service (without being replaced by another fire company) was on January 1st 1992 when Engine 20 was taken out of service from 1320 W Concord (just west of Fleet Management) and Truck 12 from W Engine 13’s quarters.
#17 by Jim on November 10, 2013 - 11:40 AM
Bill,
How many engines and trucks total did the most recent study say to have? How many engines and trucks does the city currently have?
#18 by Bill Post on November 10, 2013 - 2:17 AM
Scott, the 9th Ward is on the far south side of Chicago and includes most of the Pullman and Riverdale areas. The information that the Alderman of the 9th Ward is talking about was based on a Chicago Fire Department response time compliance rate audit that was done in 2012 and was released by the the Chicago Inspector Generals Office on October 18th of this year (2013).
The response time rate is based on the standards of the National Fire Protection Association guideline 1710.
Guideline 1710 sets forth a Standard of up to 80 seconds for “turnout time” and not more then a 4 minute drive time for the first fire suppression unit to arrive on the scene of an incident 90% of the time. The 1710 guide line sets forth for EMS incidents a 60 second “turnout time” and a maximum 4 minute drive time for a BLS unit to arrive on the scene on the scene of an incident and a maximum of an 8 minute drive time for an ALS unit to arrive on the scene of an incident 90% of the time.
The audit which broke down the response time compliance by both Ward and Community areas as well as further breaking them down into Fire and Ems responses had found that the 9th Ward had the lowest Fire response time as well as the lowest EMS response time compliance of all of the 50 Wards in the City of Chicago based on the National Fire Protection Associations rule (guideline) 1710 standards.
On fire responses the 9th Ward had met the recommended standards 64% of the time and on EMS responses the 9th Ward had met the standards only 39% of the time.
The approximate borders of the 9th Ward are as follows 99th street on the north ,138th street on the south , the Bishop Ford freeway (route 94) on the east and the western boundary line varies in different places so from 99th to 103rd street the western border is Lowe avenue (630 West) from 103rd to 119th street the border is State street and south of 119th street the border starts heading west again to Yale avenue (230 West) going south to 125th street , then going west to Union avenue (700 west) and going south again to 129th place. The area is mainly located around the eastern end of the 22nd Battalion and the neighborhood with the slowest response times is the community known as “Riverdale” which goes from 115th street to 138th street on the south and from the former Illinois Central Metra tracks on the west (approximately at Indiana avenue 200 east) to the Bishop Ford freeway on the east.
Most of the residences are in the Altgeld gardens section which is south of 130th street going east from Indiana avenue and is just north and south of the Calumet river which is how the area got the name of Riverdale. That area is basically covered by Engine 80 and Engine 75’s stations and is pretty isolated compared to the rest of the area.
The 22nd Battalion has been getting more fires over the last several years and of course they do have many EMS runs.
There aren’t any “closed” fire stations in that area however the Chicago Fire Department did an “in house study” in the mid 1980’s (that I have seen) and in that study they had recommended moving Engine 75 further south east to a new fire station at approximately 200 E 130th street as well as recommending that a new fire station be built for Engine 93 at approximately 103rd and State street (which would better cover the Pullman area) and also recommended that an new fire station be built at 115th street and Emerald avenue for an Engine and a Truck company that would be relocated there from further into the city. Engine 115’s current station would remain where it is however and Engine 62 and Truck 27 would also remain where they are however the study did recommend that a Truck company be moved in to Engine 93’s proposed new station and also to Engine 75’s new station.
Keep in mind that these proposals were from a study that the Chicago Fire Deparment had released in 1986 and they haven’t been acted on since then.
It is ironic however the those recommendations still seem to be valid when you consider the findings of the recently released response time audit.
#19 by DH on November 10, 2013 - 12:49 AM
Scott, the 9th Ward is the east side of Pullman/Roseland from roughly 99th on the north to 138th and from about Cottage Grove, or looking at the map I-94 roughly on the east, to State mainly on the west, with two spots jumping back west to Union an d Lowe. East side of the 22nd Battalion.
#20 by Scott on November 9, 2013 - 8:36 PM
First, where is the 9th ward? If it is an area that is lacking fire companies, is that somehting only City Hall can fix by reopening a station? Or is it a very busy area that companies are running?
Short of apparatus responding at light speed endangering all, what does the alderman want?
#21 by Bill Post on November 8, 2013 - 2:02 PM
Yes you are correct Tom in fact I couldn’t understand why it took Local 2 so long to finally stand up for their contract in 1980. As you probably recall the CFD had been running with 4 man companies for about 12 years (1968/69 to 1980 when they finally took action and got the city to restore the 5th man to many of the Engines and Trucks.
It almost seemed like the city didn’t know what it was doing beginning in late 1967 when the company manning was reduced and most of the remaining (original) Squad companies were taken out of service ,only to have the Flying Manpower Squads put in service about 2 years later (in 1969).
#22 by tom sullivan on November 8, 2013 - 1:02 PM
with out beating the dead horse into the ground any more,, the only thing that has kept Chicago from drastically reducing manpower has been the contracts with local 2.
since 1980 at every negotiation session, manning is a prime issue. there will never be a perfect answer (depending on your point of view) to what is an adequate level. the reality is that for a single fire company to pull up to a working fire in a typical urban environment, with anything less than 5 ffs is not optimal, as many studies have proven. a big misconception is depending on later responding companies,, squads, rescues, tactical response units, etc. to make up for the initial shortage. the (very) old Chicago flying squads response was a good example. too little, too late.
#23 by Bill Post on November 8, 2013 - 11:57 AM
Speaking of New York CIty not only are all Engines 5 man companies (including the officer) and the Trucks (or as they call them in New York City the Ladders) are normally 6 man companies if you include the officer. New York City also has 7 Squad companies which are really Rescue/Engine companies that normally have 6 men (including the officer) assigned and they also run with a Haz Mat support van that they bring along with them when they respond to Hazardous Materials Incidents. The Squads respond as Engine companies in their first in box districts and also respond as Manpower/HazMat/ Rescue companies as well. New York City also runs with 5 Heavy Rescue companies (also with 6 men assigned) and they run with a two piece Haz Mat companiy that runs with two Heavy Rescue style Haz Mat Squads that run with 8 men assigned to the company.
New York City runs with 198 Engines and 7 Squads which includes four of the Engines that run as Haz Mat Techician Engines that also run with a Haz Mat Support Van like the Squads do and run with 6 men assigned.
Until 2011 as many as 64 of the Engine companies were running with 6 men i(including the officer) however currently those Engines are running with 5 men assigned to them. Until the late 70’s/early 80s the Truck companies in New York City normally ran with 7 men assigned to them.
Only New York City has been able to reduce manning and still run 5 man companies as that’s because many of their Engines were 6 man companies in reality.
Getting back to the idea of running with 4 man Engines at the stations where a Truck company is also assigned NJ makes a very good point in that quite often one of the companies will be on another run and therefore they wouldn’t always be able to respond together.
That idea becomes a “slippery slope” as not that long ago Milwaukee had reduced it’s manning on it’s Engines that were located with Truck companies from 5 to 4 men while keeping the Trucks with 5 men assigned to them however that didn’t last very long as within a couple of years the Trucks were also reduced to 4 man companies as well as the Engines that ran without Truck companies not to mention to running with several Engines running “browned out” meaning that a few Engines are temporarily out of service each week.
#24 by 0.02 on November 7, 2013 - 11:36 PM
If the bean counters want to make CFD like FDNY they’re gonna have to add people. FDNY’s manning for firefighters doesn’t include the officer, so when they say FDNY apparatus are staffed with four firefighters that means 4 plus an officer. Simple math says that 4+1 =5. Do the research first. Also not all companies are staffed with 5 everyday. They are allowed 35 variances a day which drops a company down from 5 to 4.
#25 by fmddc1 on November 7, 2013 - 5:51 PM
Cutting any ff’s is never good. If the city is allowed to get their way, and they cut from 10 to 9, then what’s to stop them from cutting one more?! Make it an even 8 per shift! Then CFD can be just like New York! Please guy’s…..Don’t forget those of us before you, who fought so hard for all the “THINGS” you all enjoy today! Don’t concede to anything! You have and stand your ground! I’m just ranting here and not being specific to any comment, I just really hope all you CFD guy’s hold your ground and get a decent contract this go around. God bless all of you! Miss you’ll very much.
#26 by NJ on November 7, 2013 - 8:41 AM
I really don’t the incredibly dumb idea of 9 instead of 10 FF’s in Engine/Truck house. There are many times when one the rigs is out and the fire call comes in. How does having 5 FF’s on the engine that is on an ambo assist help the 4 on the Truck responding to a fire?
BTW, interesting side note, I guess we’re gonna get two more rechassied Brauns.