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Car fire in Chicago, 9-30-20

Engine 82 with a car fire at 93rd St and Blackstone Ave.

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21 Comments

#1 by craig mack on October 7, 2020 - 12:04 AM

I have finally figured it out. Thank You. It has become quite clear to me….thaaat….

…you guys do not have the mental ability to understand that I never said the guy was right for not wearing a tank, just that you all look ridiculous getting online and blindly lecturing people to obvious and well known dangers, especially by people that don’t even do this for a living.

Thank you all for your blessed sermons. May the Fire Gods forever be in your debt for your glorious observations and reports to a fire fan website. The members of Engine 82 will forever be in debt to your contributions…even tho they’ll never see any of this and would laugh at the ridiculousness of the situation .

And thats that
#2 by Tom W on October 6, 2020 - 10:40 PM

Craig,
I am sorry, but you need to speak up! I was not bashing our fellow brother/sisters. The bottom line is, we need to look out for each other! When I was on the job, one of my responsibilities while being in charge of turn-out gear, was to make sure each firefighter had an an extra set of gear and an extra set of gloves, boots and a hood. I set this precedent after one of our own died of lymphoma in his neck. After any fire, I replaced every members hood, and required each member to wash their gear. Although I am retired now, that tradition has carried on. As they say, “an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.” Using the PPE provided is essential. Sharing concerns and insight is just as important. You need to advocate for your brothers and sisters, and encourage those wearing bugles to do so too!
#3 by The DH on October 6, 2020 - 11:13 AM

MABAS 21, very well said!

Cancer sucks, and yes, Craig, we are exposed to a lot of things that can lead to it…but why add another if you can help it? We are given tools to limit some exposures, so why not use them…I’d hate to see one of those members come down with a cancer and the city slap that picture on the table in defense of not giving them disability…
#4 by MABAS 21 on October 6, 2020 - 9:33 AM

Craig,

Listen to me, I am not on here to bash anyone with my observations. Again, a large amount of people view this blog; fire service personnel and fans alike, and negative impressions to the public and new firefighters can be made from comments and perceptions. You know the quote, “a picture is worth a thousand words.” This simply is not being a “Karen,” but making a statement based on wisdom and experience on the job.

It is not my permissive affair to visit Engine Co. 82’s house to educate rank and file on something that they should know and practice, because I am not a member of the CFD. My obligation and responsibility is to the members of my department and those in my MABAS division.

Like I previously stated, this isn’t the sixties and seventies. Modern manufactured materials, building construction, technology and hazards have drastically changed and so must tatics, operations and best practices. This culture of being invincible and ignorant to the research and proven data MUST and WILL change. There is absolutely no reason to not wear full PPE and SCBA when required!!! Our UNION at the state level has tirelessly battled our elected officials to strike up Presumptive Cancer language and by you referencing us as “Karen’s and White Knights” is not only pure ignorance and selfish, but does a disservice to the dedicated brothers who tirelessly fought for our benefits and to those who have succumbed to severe injury or death because of careless, unsafe and preventable actions made.

So instead of insulting people, why don’t you search the web or take fire service classes and educate yourself and others on what we’re preaching.
#5 by Craig Mack on October 6, 2020 - 7:25 AM

The funny thing is Tom, literally the day of that auto, I was on one as well and actually told a fellow member to either use his mask, or stay out of the smoke.

So again, I’m down for the cause of cancer prevention, but everyone is sick and tired of the online whining and virtue signaling.

If pointing out the obvious, anonymously, online makes you feel accomplished, yet is something you would never dare say to a fireman in real life, you’re probably better off keeping it to yourself.

Also…do we get cancer from inhaling smoke? Of course…but try to prove its from this, not our carcinogen ridden gear, our asbestos and mold rittled firehouses, or our ancient rigs that blow fumes all over us all day.

It’s a risky job. These are grown men that know their risks. So unless you’re gunna walk down the street and start waving your finger at every cigarette smoker you see, just put it away.
#6 by Tom W on October 5, 2020 - 10:43 PM

Craig,
Your reply and I quote it, “But all you white knight Karens are pathetic.
And if you’re not a fireman, you should probably keep your mouth shut on what firemen do.
This is why people laugh at fans,“ makes me question who you are? You really need to look at yourself. Defending these actions and asking outsiders to do something is laughable. Obviously you are member of the CFD, and you should be responsible enough to say something. You may actually be helping one of you brothers or sisters.
#7 by Bill Post on October 5, 2020 - 12:27 PM

There is no question that exposure to carcinogens has become a major issue of concern for many fire departments and firefighters. If you look at the industry and what many department are doing, stations are incorporating washing machines to decontaminate turnout gear and many departments are specifying apparatus that feature separate enclosed compartments for contaminated gear.

The Chicago Fire Department is not the same as it was in the 1950s, 60s, and 70s. The department had an administration back then that while developing innovative apparatus like the Snorkel, Big John, and Big Moe, it was still at least 20 years behind other comparable fire departments such as New York and Los Angeles when it came to certain safety items like self contained breathing apparatus. Both New York and Los Angeles had SCBAs on engines and trucks by the early 1960s. Chicago didn’t start equipping most firefighters with them until the late 1970s and early 80s. Only the Snorkel squads and later the Flying squads had SCBAs while the engine and trucks did without them or had to call the squads for SCBAs.

The point is that Chicago was known to be very slow when it came to equipping firefighters with some basic safety items, including bunker gear.

While I wasn’t at that fire and I am not a firefighter, it seems that this is an issue for management or the on duty supervisors to be sure that the crews are adequately attired to safely extinguish a blaze. So is the brass reviewing this?
#8 by Chuck on October 5, 2020 - 1:34 AM

We could solve this whole non-wearing of proper PPE thing very easily. Take out the presumptive cancer language out of the pension laws. You say you got cancer from your fire service time? Prove it. All these fireground pictures of smiling guys covered with insulation and fiberglass and plaster and other building materials are a staple of the fire service. I’m not advocating 100% exterior firefighting. That’s impossible. But if you’re not going to wear all the protective gear available to you, don’t scratch your head and wonder aloud how you got sick.
#9 by Craig Mack on October 4, 2020 - 10:05 PM

I never defended it, thats the funny thing. But all you white knight Karens are pathetic.

And if you’re not a fireman, you should probably keep your mouth shut on what firemen do.

This is why people laugh at fans.
#10 by Tom W on October 4, 2020 - 7:17 PM

Craig,

Harry being a firefighter is irrelevant. He is questioning good verses poor judgment. Firefighter or not, most human beings would know that willingly putting your own self at risk when many safeguards(SCBA and PPE) are in place, is highly questionable and irresponsible. As a matter of fact, I saw a news clip a week or two ago of a CFD member wearing shorts extinguishing a car fire. Please help by encouraging safe practices, rather than defending stupidity!!!
#11 by Craig Mack on October 4, 2020 - 5:27 PM

Harry are you a fireman?
#12 by John Antkowski on October 4, 2020 - 4:35 PM

Getting burned and possibly done with your career on a lousy car fire. I transported one of my brothers with 2nd degree burns to his face from when the magnesium reacted with the hose line and flashed in his face. Wear your SCBA’s
#13 by harry on October 3, 2020 - 10:48 PM

well craig mack this is real life not the movie backdraft where steven goes into a burning burning with no mask air pack and his jacket not realistic as for this issue why have the gear if u are not going to use it
#14 by Craig Mack on October 3, 2020 - 7:32 PM

The thought that it is constructive to get on an anonymous website and comment about guys not wearing a pack on a car fire is about as constructive and laughable as that huff and puff response to saying if you got something to say, go tell the people in the picture.

The Karen game is strong.
#15 by Mike on October 3, 2020 - 5:55 PM

Great answer Craig. You have been in the city long enough to see how they screw people over for injuries and cancer and this is your answer. Why don’t you go there and and maybe say something. That way we don’t have to have a fund raiser for when the next guy gets injured or sick and the city screws with them and their family. There is a huge push for a second set of gear because of the cancer or the plymovents in the firehouses, issue but we can’t get guys to even consider wearing a harness on a stupid auto fire. And your answer is to be standoffish and tell people to go to the firehouse and tell them they’re doing it wrong. Isn’t that what the officers and chiefs are there for? How many guys do we have to bury or watch get hurt or sick that could have been preventable?

Take care tough guy. I wish you the best.
#16 by Craig Mack on October 3, 2020 - 4:59 PM

817 E. 91st St.. 1st platoon.

Go tell em your thoughts, cuz they aint gunna see it on here. Let us know what they think.
#17 by MABAS 21 on October 3, 2020 - 3:20 PM

Craig, obviously their education, leadership or both are lacking. Just because one works for the big city of Chicago doesn’t mean they’re an expert or have the most experience in the fire service. I have dozens of friends on the CFD, with various amounts of time on the job and in different ranks, so I have no grudge. I’ve been a student of the fire service for almost 31 years and one thing I’ve learned over the years is to adapt and change the way that we operate because of new technology and research that proves otherwise. When we have this invincible mentality that nothing’s going to happen to us, that’s when we have firefighters getting severely injured, killed or contracting cancer. Company and Chief officers have an obligation and responsibility to ensure the safety of their crews. This isn’t the sixties or the seventies, times have changed! The busy full-time career department that I work for is the farthest thing from being safety Nazis, but at least our firefighters have enough common sense to wear SCBA when it’s necessary instead of being told to, because they understand why.

One additional point to keep in mind, is the fact that younger, impressionable, new firefighters look up to the big city of Chicago and it’s tatics, which is why they should be setting an example. I had two close friends, both phenomenal firefighters, who each had long struggles battling cancer and were taken away way too soon from us, Lt. John Leonard and FF/PM Anthony Volpe. RIP brothers…
#18 by Craig Mack on October 3, 2020 - 9:21 AM

You guys’ whining comments are worse than the vollies on facebook. How about instead of complaining on here, you go to the firehouse and tell these clearly uneducated, non experienced firemen how they’re doing it all wrong and teach them all about your ways
#19 by Martin on October 2, 2020 - 11:26 PM

I wonder if its the same person I know. Hopefully more firefighters wear protection.
#20 by MABAS 21 on October 2, 2020 - 1:13 PM

Not only that, but take a look at what appears to be a reaction from magnesium in the 2nd and 3rd pictures. I personally know someone who had that explode into his unprotected face and he has a permanent scar for the rest of his life as a reminder.
#21 by Mike on October 2, 2020 - 10:31 AM

Come on guys, your union and the state association spent many years fighting for cancer protections and you still do this.