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New engines for Chicago (more)
#1 by Joe on November 22, 2017 - 9:22 PM
What ever happened to engine 71,50 and 125 former frontline apparatus
#2 by Drew Smith on November 21, 2017 - 5:34 PM
The “a rigs too old for ISO” is a myth that has been perpetuated for more than 30 years. If you don’t believe me go here https://www.isomitigation.com/technical/maximum-age-for-apparatus.html
Nowhere in the 66 pages of the 2012 edition of the ISO Fire Suppression Rating Schedule is there a mention of maximum service age for any fire apparatus. What matters is 1) distribution or coverage area; 2) staffing; and 3) capability. Regarding distribution, ISO prescribes a maximum road mile travel distance for the first-due engine on 1.5 miles. Trucks or ladders are prescribed 2.5 road miles of maximum travel. If your dispatch CAD shows acceptable response time for longer distances you will be credited as compliant. For staffing, the FSRS does not specify a minimum number per apparatus and interestingly allows no maximum either. The space here prohibits further explanation. As for capabilities of an engine, ISO lists three requirements: Hose, Pump, and Equipment. A minimum of 200 feet of 2 or 2&1/2 inch or similar attack hose and a minimum of 1000 feet of supply hose. Pumps must be at least 1000 GPM. Equipment has a list (that no longer contains a hose jacket). What’s also in this capability requirement is that the pump is service tested and passes that test annually. Meet all the capabilities, regardless of apparatus age, and you get full credit. Meet some and not others then you get reduced credit. Similar capabilities exist for trucks/ladders. You also need one reserve pumper for every eight (8) active pumpers. For more info on the ISO FSRS go here https://www.isomitigation.com/ppc/iso-s-public-protection-classification-ppc-program.html
#3 by Bill Post on November 21, 2017 - 12:21 PM
Marty, that’s an interesting concept you brought up about the average age of engines in various areas with regards to Engine 71. It turns out that most of the engines that surround Engine 71’s still district were roughly the same age and the same model as Engine 71’s 2002 Spartan. Of the first batch of Spartans, a few were classified at 2001 models but most of them are listed as 2002s. Getting back to the point, Engines 70, 110, and 89 as well as Engine 71’s former Spartan/Luverne were all the same age and part of the first large order of Spartan/Luvernes delivered in late 2001 and early 2002. Based on the concept of average age, one those four would have needed to be replaced, however there is only one catch and that is the fact that Engine 59 which is also located just east of Engine 71 is using an Engine that is about 4 years older then Engine 71’s former Spartan Luverne and is also a busy ALS Engine company really should have been given the Engine that went to Engine 71. Not only would it have lowered the average age of the engines in that area, but the fact that Engine 59’s rig was reassigned from Engine 95 means that it probably has a lot of mileage and wear on it.
It really looks more like Engine 59 doesn’t have the clout that Engine 71 has because the HME/Luvernes aren’t that popular with the crews in the field. The HME cabs are more cramped than the Spartans.
Do you remember that several years ago Engine 50 was using a 1999 HME/Luverne however within a year or two they got an older Spartan/Luverne with a larger cab. That’s an example of clout.
#4 by Marty Coyne on November 21, 2017 - 8:00 AM
Actually Bill as far as I understand the engines are assigned based on ISO requirements. CFD is certified ISO Class One. Age of engines in various areas effects ISO. They try to bring the engine average age down in various areas for that reason. That’s why 71 got one.
#5 by Bill Post on November 20, 2017 - 9:11 PM
Scott as of late the new engines have been assigned to fire companies based on CLOUT. For example of the six new engines that were put in service over the last year, only two replaced the oldest engines. Now the oldest units are the 1997 long wheelbase HME/Luvernes that don’t have roll up doors like the short wheelbase 1998 and 1999 models. There are three 1997 models at Engines 94, 104, and 80. After that there are four 1998 and one 1999 short wheelbase units and the one-of-a-kind 2000 Freightliner at Engine 92. There are three 2001 Spartan/Luvernes at Engines 97, 81, and 127. Four of the new E-One engines went to companies with rigs from 2002 through 2004.
Engine 71 received a new E-One last summer and they don’t have many fires. They do have EMS runs but there are busier companies such as Engines 38, 117, and 116 to name a few. Engines 28 and 121 were running with the oldest engines, and Engine 73’s 2004 Spartan became a hand me down at Engine 102.
#6 by Scott on November 20, 2017 - 5:17 PM
The engines will probably go to where the fire need is or who has the most clout! The slower co’s will get hand me downs that will be in better shape then what they have.
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#7 by Marty Coyne on November 2, 2017 - 3:04 PM
5th Chicago engine is now on the site.
#8 by BIll Post on November 1, 2017 - 10:27 PM
Aidan, Engine 11’s current 1998 short wheel base HME Luverne was originally assigned to Engine 83 when they were first delivered.
The first 6 short wheel base HME Luvernes which were 1998 models were originally assigned to Engines 71,83,1,95,88 and 46. The 4 1999 models were originally assigned to Engines 102,125,123 and 115.
#9 by Joe on November 1, 2017 - 9:52 PM
E83
#10 by Aidan Hughes on October 31, 2017 - 10:08 PM
Where was Engine 11’s HME first assigned to before that
#11 by Bill Post on October 31, 2017 - 9:27 PM
Danny the 1988 E/One assigned to Engine 11 was a new rig and not a hand me down when it was assigned to them.
#12 by Eric on October 31, 2017 - 2:16 PM
Danny,
The current HME/Luverne was a hand-me-down (though only 4 years old when they received it).
#13 by danny on October 31, 2017 - 1:48 PM
is 11s current rig a hand me down? and did they receive the 1988 e one brand new?
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#14 by Chuck on October 30, 2017 - 5:20 AM
You’ll probably see 116,117,93, and 38 get new rigs, and their current rigs will get handed down.
#15 by eugene O on October 29, 2017 - 8:03 AM
I agree with aidan i like the four engines you mention to get one of these new rigs, i also agree with bill post the cfd is not going by age.
#16 by Big Moe on October 29, 2017 - 6:26 AM
E-11 is way too slow to get a new rig. It would still be in mint condition 20 years later. Expect no change or a newer hand-me-down there.
#17 by Bill Post on October 29, 2017 - 4:24 AM
Michael M, Engine 11 had been using a short wheelbase 1998 HME/Luverne, unless one of the older and longer 1997 rigs was reassigned there. Engine 94 is using a 1997 rig however I heard there might be a problem getting one of the newer rigs into their station due to width problems. I haven’t confirmed whether or not that is the case. The last three of the long wheelbase 1997 HME/Luvernes are at Engine 94, 104, and 80. There are five, short wheelbase HME/Luvernes assigned to Engine 11, 59, 103, 39, and 74 that should be replaced. The last I heard was that Engines 11, 59, 103, and 74 were 1998 models and Engine 39 was a 1999 model. Whether that is still true I don’t know. When they were delivered there were six 1998 models and four 1999s so it is possible that one or more of the 1998 models was replaced by a 1999. Both models were short wheelbase rigs with unpainted roll up doors so they look the same.
If they were replacing the rigs based solely on age then seven of those eight should be next, however as of late not all of the rigs have been replaced based on their age. Of the six new E/One rigs, only two replaced 1997 HME/Luvernes at Engines 121 and 28. The other four were Spartan/Luvernes that were all built either in 2001 or were even newer. Engines 73, 50, 71, and 125 were all using newer rigs that were replaced by the E/Ones.
#18 by 75Seagrave on October 29, 2017 - 1:23 AM
Don’t forget about Eng 94. The last time they received a brand new rig was in 1976 with their awesome Seagrave, which held onto its Mars mechanical siren until retirement in the early 90’s. Been hand me downs ever since with the Ford/EO, HME/Luverne, and many spares in between. Miss those old rigs.
#19 by Aidan Hughes on October 28, 2017 - 10:43 PM
I hope Engines 11, 80, 92 or 104 get one of those
#20 by Michael M on October 28, 2017 - 5:36 PM
How many 1997 HME’s are still frontline? Hopefully if this is the 7 engine order all the 97’s will be taken out of frontline service.
I also agree with Harry I hope one of these 7 goes to a better section of the city. Engine 11 is one of the 97’s I believe. Maybe one of these rigs will go to 11. Does anyone think one of these rigs may go to either Engine 42 or 98?
#21 by harry on October 28, 2017 - 1:26 PM
I hope one goes to a better area of the city like engine 11 e106 and so on
#22 by Brian on October 28, 2017 - 11:23 AM
I believe they are leasing the chief buggies which is likely why they are a single color and not black over red. Paint coloring on the rigs like this is not additional charge.
#23 by David on October 28, 2017 - 4:27 AM
Same here, always a relief to see the black tops on the new batch..
#24 by Michael M on October 27, 2017 - 8:53 PM
Glad to see they are sticking with Black over red! I am guessing this is the 7 engine order?