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#1 by Cmk420 on August 28, 2024 - 9:53 AM
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Pretty bad situation to be in.
What is Squad 1 using now until one of the other ones is repaired?
#2 by Bill Post on August 28, 2024 - 9:50 AM
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What a shame. So what is Squad 1 using now? Of the current 8 regular Squad Vehicles which ones are actually running and which ones are in the “shops”?
Short of purchasing a spare Squad the CFD should be able to modify a few Engines like they did with the ALF that was formerly assigned to Engine 23. I am also sure that some you remember that up until a few years ago the CFD had been using a former 1988 Model Ford Pirsch Truck Chassis that had the Aerial Ladder removed and it was being used as a spare Squad for quite a few years. That Ford Pirsch was one of 4 Trucks that the CFD had built in 1987/88 and were retrofitted with 4 older 1966 Vintage Aerial Ladders. That was when the CFD was Salvaging and Rebuilding several Engines and a few Aerial Ladders during the mid to late 1980s.
The Squads should actually be able to last longer because they don’t do as much running as they used to. Up until the firefighters strike the Squads used automatically be dispatched on Still Alarms plus some special duty incidents however after the strike they changed the policy to only sending the Squads if was a confirmed fire or if the were getting many calls. In more recent years the Squads will be dispatched automatically if the still is not more than a few miles from quarters. Even when it looks like a fire and a company reports there is smoke showing how often are the Squads held as they have very large districts. One of the reasons why in 1983 Commission Galante cut the Squad and Snorkel companies in half from 6 in the City to 3 is because there really weren’t that many working fires anymore.
#3 by Chicagoland fire photos on August 28, 2024 - 8:41 AM
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Currently the city has 0 spare squads
– 6-8-7a died yesterday responding to a Highrise still as sqd 1
– G-579 the ALF is down with mechanical problems
– Both HME Boxes are down for maintenance
– Squad 1A’s old HME apparently is permanently OOS
– Squad 2A’s old HME has been sold at auction (Per CFD Shop numbers)
– G-510 is being used long term by 5-1-1
– Squad 7s was/is being used by Squad 7 and can’t even leave the airport
#4 by Bill Post on August 27, 2024 - 2:49 PM
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Chuck you make a very good point as far as if Chicago were to purchase some nominally used fire apparatus that was still in halfway decent shape so that Chicago would have some decent spares.
Baltimore seems to always be getting some good used apparatus for their spares and reserves. While Baltimore only runs with One Rescue company I remember that they had purchased some time ago a pretty decent used Rescue from a nearby fire department so that they would have a decent “standby” Reserve Rescue in case of a disaster. Their current Reserve Rescue is only 8 years old. For a city that has been losing population for a long time they definitely keep their fire apparatus fleet in good shape.
Evanston Illinois also has been buying or sometimes even renting decent apparatus for their spare Truck fleet. For a long time they had a Rear mounted 100 foot Aerial Ladder that had belonged to the San Antonio Texas fire department as their permanent spare. I understand that they are currently using Libertyvilles ex Quint as a spare Truck.
As far a having a “long term replacement program” goes Chicago’s current 5 year contract with E One which was supposed to have expired last February has obviously been extended. I don’t know for how long but apparently Chicago still has quite a few rigs from E/One on order. I recently found out that there are 12 more Engines on order which doesn’t include the two that were numbered for Engines 122 and 56. To my understanding there are also more Truck companies included in the order. And the new 2 piece Haz Mat companies are still part of it as well. I don’t know how long E/One has extended the contract for but apparently they are making out pretty well or else they wouldn’t have extended it. Generally speaking a comprehensive long term placement program would be scheduling apparatus replacements on an annual or a semi annual basis which would have each apparatus replaced when they reach a specific age which in most cases should be between 12 and 15 years old (in front line service). There are a few cities that wait a few years longer to replace their Truck companies but some of that is based on if the Trucks are dispatched on EMS runs or not.
Phoenix Arizona had set a goal of replacing their Engines at 10 years in front line service and their Trucks at 15 years in front line service however that is comparing apples and oranges and it couldn’t apply to Chicago and here is why.
In Phoenix Arizona even though they presently only run with 14 “Ladder companies” each one of them has a “Ladder Tender” assigned to it. The Ladder companies are not 2 piece units however as when the Ladder companies get a run either the Ladder unit will respond or the Ladder Tender but not both. The officer of the company will usually decide what rig to respond with. So if it is an EMS run or a rescue run they the crew will usually respond with the Ladder Tender as they probably won’t need to use the Aerial. The Ladder Tender is basically a Medium duty Squad (usually a Freightliner) with a crew cab and some ground ladders and all the other equipment except no Aerial. The Ladder companies were recently converted to ALS (Advance Life Support) however all of the Engines are also ALS and at last count Phoenix was running with 66 Engine companies and they will be adding more of them during the next few years.
So the question is how does a large fire department with 59 fire stations and 66 Engine companies get by with only running with 14 Truck companies? Here is how they do it. Even though the Population is 1,650,070 and there 518 Square Miles within the city, the population is more spread out and there are less people per square mile so the population density is far less than Chicago and most other cities.
For a single family dwelling or a small structure fire they only dispatch One Truck company but 3 Engines instead of 2. If it the fire in a multi family dwelling or a large apartment or commercial complex then 5 Engines and 2 Trucks will be dispatched. During the summer when the heat usually exceeds 100 degrees a 6th Engine will usually be dispatched.
Most of the fire departments in the Phoenix Metro Area are on automatic aide which means that the nearest companies with be dispatched without regard to the jurisdiction of the town that the fire is located in. So there is a good chance the more than one fire department will be dispatched if you are near the city limits. The Phoenix Fire Departments Fire Dispatch Center is also a Regional Dispatch Center so it dispatched for close to 20 fire departments.
New York City tries to replace their heavy apparatus at 10 years of age but Chicago is having a hard time doing it at 20 so if Chicago were to comply with the NFPA recommended age of 15 years it would be good and after that is done they would have order several Engines and Trucks a year to keep the apparatus at from going above 15 years of age. Which is how most large fire departments run their replacement programs.
#5 by Rich S. on August 27, 2024 - 10:05 AM
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First the city has a contract with Eone .
Second the city will not buy used equipment no matter how nice. And the black buggies are on a regular replacement plan all buggies are. And they are purchased in large lots with all city vehicles. The fire department doesn’t buy vehicles and apparatus FLEET buys them. The fire department has little to no input on apparatus. Fleet specs and finance buys. It’s a big game. And a bunch or bean counters they don’t care that we are riding around in 30 year old rigs. They don’t care that the spares are junk and they don’t care what we say about it. On top of that it takes to long to have rigs built and we keep wrecking what we have. So there you go. And for everyone information the pierce trucks had issues, the rosenbaure squads have issues and now some of the Eones have issues. There is to much electronic and safety crap in these rigs today.
#6 by Sebastian on August 26, 2024 - 9:35 PM
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Mike, go to firehouse.com and look up boston fd ladder failure. Or even google it. It happened in 2018. A section of the tower ladder literally collapsed while it was deployed.
#7 by Chuck on August 26, 2024 - 9:34 PM
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As many decent used apparatus are on the market, you’d think somebody at 3501 would take a look and say “Hey – there’s some rigs out there close to what we need that would function as a good stopgap rig (or rigs,) until we can get our heads out of our a**es and get a long term apparatus replacement program going.” They always have enough money for black buggies for bosses that don’t do much of anything. Maybe they could use some of that money.
#8 by Martin on August 26, 2024 - 3:48 PM
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Having multiple builders or manufacturers building to CFD specs would definitely help update the fleet. The main issue is funding and keeping up with a replacement plan.
#9 by Mike on August 26, 2024 - 3:26 PM
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Sebastian what Boston incident are you talking about? The double LODD they had about 10 years ago was because the hose burned through, it wasn’t an apparatus issue. The CFD didn’t have a LODD due to an apparatus issue. Lieutenant LC Merril died in 2000, I think because the 25 year old ladder truck he was in had no seatbelts and he was ejected and run over when they got sideswiped. This incident forced CFD to start replacing apparatus again. Also the 2002 pierce ladders are garbage. They’ve had a few ladder failures and several have been condemned due to rusting out. FDNY has an Apparatus replacement program in their union contract. This would never happen with the CFD. Having Fauts build 60 engines will not fix all the problems. They can’t build 60 engines in a year and with all the accidents happening to apparatus, some at fault and some not, there is no way to keep up with the demand. As for the sutphen 70’ ladder vs. the snorkel, the biggest issue is the snorkel bends the Sutphen doesn’t. The snorkel is a very versatile and specialized piece of equipment for them. That’s enough rant from me now.
#10 by as11 on August 26, 2024 - 1:43 PM
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speaking of fouts bros. Has anyone seen the two CFD mini pumpers out on the street yet?
#11 by Colton Latham on August 26, 2024 - 11:51 AM
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AS11, yes, Squad 7A was down and using ambulance F105 (O’hare spare ambo) as its spare back in November when Squad 7S (Pierce squadzilla) was being used as a long term spare for HAZMAT 5-1-2 which is now back in service
#12 by Harry on August 26, 2024 - 9:51 AM
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Chicago could learn a lot from fdny and u have to spend money to have a good fleet instead of putting money into old rigs
I saw on Facebook yesterday a Chicago PD f150 with the factory Ford fancy rims led headlights tell me how that is needed it’s not
Cfd needs to buy 48 fouts bros engines then they would have a good fleet in 6 months Franklin pk has one they love it
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#13 by as11 on August 26, 2024 - 9:10 AM
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Wasn’t there a squad company that was using an old ambo as a second piece too?
#14 by Luke Jackson on August 25, 2024 - 11:13 PM
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Rosenbauer did not acquire snorkel. The snorkel is manufactured by Ladder Tower Corporation which was bought by Spartan and is now apart of the REV Group. So there’s the LTC Snorkel and then there’s Rosenbauer’s Articulating Cobra Platform (ACP). 2 separate entities.
#15 by Big Moe on August 25, 2024 - 10:30 PM
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They could replace the snorkels with Sutphen SP70 towers. Lots of compartments, single outrigger per side, could still get in to alleys and vacant lots for master stream operations. Maybe delete the pump and tank to carry more gear and ladders.
#16 by Martin on August 25, 2024 - 9:19 PM
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How did Rosenbauer acquire snorkel if it was a smeal product prior to becoming apart of Spartan ERV. As of today, snorkel would be a rev product.
#17 by Sebastian on August 25, 2024 - 8:25 PM
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I’m just going to throw this out there… them old pierce ladders are 22 years old and they are still kicking ass!! Are they without problems…. NO! But nonetheless! I have never seen or heard of a major city such as Chicago be so behind on vehicle replacement. Its crazy! I only hope and pray thT they never have a catastrophic failure such as boston did and lost 2 firefighters!
#18 by Colton Latham on August 25, 2024 - 2:01 PM
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Bill P, at the moment, in terms of spare squads, Chicago is between a rock and a hard place. G510 (1996 HME), the single piece Squad that was used for a single piece squad experiment at Squad 1 a long time ago, is currently being used as 5-1-1 as their Alf has been OOS for a long while now. For the former Engine Alf the was retrofitted, Squad 1 was using it recently when it broke down causing them to use 6-8-7S. There is one other HME walk-in the Chicago still has, but last I heard, it won’t start. So in terms of spare Squads, all Chicago has is 6-8-7S and Squad 7S which I believe has to stay on standby at O’hare for Squad 7. I said this many months ago when Chicago was going through a severe Spare Tower shortage, Chicago needs to step up their game of replacing apparatus on time because when they don’t, they also effect the Spare fleet badly.
#19 by Bill Post on August 25, 2024 - 1:46 PM
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As far as Spare Squads go for Chicago the last that I had heard was that Chicago had the 1996 HME which had Originally replaced Squad 1, a 2001 HME Central States Squad and the former 2000 American La France Engine that has been retrofitted as a Spare Squad. As far as Spare Snorkels go I am not sure if there any of them left. The former 687 has apparently been acting as a Squad.
Once the HAZ MAT rigs are replaced the current ALFs could act as spare Squads. They would be impressive however there is good question as if can they fit into all of the side streets.
#20 by Bill Post on August 25, 2024 - 1:03 PM
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Thanks for the information Rich S. So it really sounds like they butchered Truck 20s former rig.
In regards to the Snorkels, I had could have sworn that Smeal had purchased the rights the Snorkel brand and that the “Cobra” brand was separate brand that was specifically developed by Rosenbauer for Chicago for the current Squads.
I know that Smeal did manufacture a few smaller 55 foot Snorkels for one or two local fire departments however the Snorkel really isn’t in much demand so Smeal stopped advertising the Snorkel.
I know that the large scale Snorkels are just about dead however believe it or not there is one other Major Fire Department that actually runs with Snorkel/Squads and that is Memphis Tennessee. The run with 3 of them and are one piece units which they call Rescue companies however they still run them with 55 foot Snorkels their single rigs.
One of them is a Pierce, one of them is an E/One and the latest one is a 2018 model Smeal. Their relatively new Smeal replaces an E/One “Box Style” Squad rig however when it was replaced they decided to go back to using a Snorkel/Squad.
Do you remember that back in the mid 1990s the CFD management at the time decided to replace our Squad 1’s Snorkel with a One Piece Box Style Rig however the next Fire Commissioner Edward Altman decided to continue running with Snorkel Squads so he ordered the 3 two piece HME Luvernes that were replaced by the current Rosenbauers.
The Fire Commissioner who replaced Squad 1’s Snorkel in 1996 with the HME box was Ray Orozco Senior so he didn’t seem too keen on running with Snorkel Squads however Edward Altman decided that he wanted Chicago to keep running with Snorkel Squads when he ordered the two piece units.
As far the city purchasing new Snorkel Squads I could see the current ones running until about 2031 which would put them at 15 years old then. Fifteen is considered to be the recommended retirement age for most heavy fire apparatus these days and yes there other factors involved and it is true the Chicago is running behind schedule in replacing it’s rigs as there are still too many rigs out there that are 20 or more years old.
I wonder who has the final word these days replacing fire apparatus (Fleet Management or the actual Fire department brass.
Sometimes it has to do with what kind of experience the Fire Commissioner had. The former Fire Commissioners Altman and Galante were both Snorkel Squad veterans and they ended up saving them. Todays Squad companies actually were put in service on Sept 19 1983 as that is when Commissioner Galante combined 3 Squads and 3 Snorkels into todays Squad/ Snorkel companies. Snorkel Squad 1 had already been out of service for 3 years when that happened. I can’t help but wonder if Chicago would still be running Squad /Snorkels if Ray Orozco senior was still the Fire Commissioner as he had gotten rid of Squad 1’s Snorkel in 1996 and they ran with out a Snorkel for at least 4 years.
#21 by michael m on August 25, 2024 - 12:39 PM
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How often are the Snorkels OOS? Yes they are the CFD but if they are OOS more than in service, does that help the city? If there are issues with the Snorkels, maybe it is time to consider something different. Of the 3 2000 squads how many does the city have in reserve? Are all 3 pairs in reserve or did they have to scrap one of the pairs?
If there are only two pairs of the 00’s then it makes sense if all the 16’s are in for repair, why they would have use the spare dive rig.
I am guessing the snorkel’s have technology on them that is prone to breaking.
#22 by Harry on August 25, 2024 - 12:24 PM
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I was told by several cfd bosses and ff that cfd may be going away with the snorkel and just have a heavy rescue rig
As for the snorkel Memphis has some on eone and pierce chassis
#23 by Rich S. on August 25, 2024 - 11:07 AM
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Truck 20 didn’t modify the rig in a way that fleet or the city would ever allow. Without going into detail stuff was removed or disconnected. The rig was taken away for a good reason. And everyone knows not to modify the rigs in anyway what so ever. Rosenbauer does own the rights to snorkel, EOne cannot just build them. And the city doesn’t seem to be interested in buying new ones at all. You may end up seeing a Squirt boom instead of snorkels. Which is disgusting Snorkels are the CFD. 511 and 512 are supposed to be in production now. Going away from the giant rig to a squad like 2 piece company. 2 box rigs for each 511 and 512. 512 will definitely still fit in their current house.
#24 by Luke Jackson on August 25, 2024 - 3:09 AM
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Michael to answer your question yes, the new 511 & 512 will be built by E-one. If I’m not mistaken Spartan owns Smeal and Ladder Tower Corporation (LTC). LTC offers the Snorkel and since both them and E-one are owned by the REV Group I’m sure they could come up with a Snorkel squad on an E-one chassis. Might take some time to make sure everything is lined up and whatnot but it’s not too far out of the realm of possibility.
#25 by Martin on August 25, 2024 - 12:40 AM
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I wonder if spartan still has the rights to the snorkel or is it a rev product now. If Chicago decided to go down that route, they could have spartan build the body and eone mount them onto their chassis. Maybe as a group, rev could work out all the issues that smeal had and make a solid product that could compete with rosenbauer.
#26 by Michael m on August 24, 2024 - 6:00 PM
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Ok, if the city is short on squad spares. Could E-One in theory build a snorkel rig and call it something else? I am sure they could. It seems like the city was the first department to buy the Cobra. Now many departments have it.
Maybe E-One would have the same luck and give Rosenbauer a run for their money.
Is E-One going to build the new 511 and 512? Will 512 still be able to stay at Rescue 1 with an additional piece of apparatus? I am sure it is a tight fit at Rescue 1 already.
#27 by Bill Post on August 24, 2024 - 1:59 AM
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That’s interesting , Anonymous, I wouldn’t be surprised if after Truck 20 made their “adjustment” to the rig a General Order may have been sent out telling the crews to keep their hands off the rigs.
It looks like the “don’t play with the rigs” rule wasn’t that well known even amongst the brass as apparently Truck 20’s modification was done under the nose of their Battalion Chief as the 19th Battalion is located under the same roof with them at Engine 54s quarters.
What really must hurt about this incident is that Fleet Management is located less than a mile from their quarters and all that they needed to do was stop there and ask them if any adjustments could be made to the rig or better yet if Fleet Management could have made the modifications. It definitely would have saved them the time and trouble/
#28 by MABAS 21 on August 23, 2024 - 8:56 PM
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So what is Truck 20 using now?
#29 by pat on August 23, 2024 - 8:03 PM
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They need new rescues too Squad 1 was using 687s spare dive rig this week from a lack of spare squad spares
#30 by Dan on August 23, 2024 - 6:25 PM
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What were the modifications?
#31 by Rich S. on August 23, 2024 - 3:55 PM
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Anonymous,
Your information is correct!!
#32 by Anonymous on August 23, 2024 - 3:12 PM
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Bill Post, the reason the 2022 E-One ladder truck got reassigned to Truck 27 was because the members of Truck 20 made modifications to it without permission and messed it up. So they got punished by getting their E-One rig taken away from them and reassigned to Truck 27, who needed a new permanent rig badly after their 2002 Pierce was removed from service. So this is all from what I heard. Making mods to a rig without permission is a no-no. It’s a shame that it got taken away from Truck 20, but it’s their members’ fault for it.
#33 by Bill Post on August 23, 2024 - 1:53 PM
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Rich S here is just an example of what you are talking about. Truck 20 received a new 2022 E/One Cyclone 100 not more than 2 years ago.I
The rig was already assigned and running as Truck 20.
Truck 27s 2005 Pierce 100 foot Aerial Ladder was damaged in a accident over a year ago.
Truck 27 had been assigned a 1990s Vintage Seagrave Patriot Aerial Ladder for several months and then they reassigned Truck 20s New E/One Aerial Ladder Truck to Truck 27.
That really doesn’t make sense as Truck 20 is a busier company than Truck 27. So it seems that Truck 20s new rig was reassigned for political reasons.9
#34 by Rich S. on August 22, 2024 - 6:12 PM
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Fleet does not replace rigs strictly by age. They have a combination of criteria to replace rigs, for the most part. Age, cost of repairs, run totals to list a few. Then throw in the last minute phone calls from power players. I am surprised 122 is getting a new rig after the accident, but they are an extremely busy company in a powerful ward. So yeah… there is no exact science of replacing rigs.
#35 by Danny on August 22, 2024 - 5:33 PM
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The engine lettered for engine 56 Had the lettering taken off and was relentered as engine 200 for the dnc per a department source I have
#36 by Mike G on August 22, 2024 - 1:13 PM
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Anyone know if the https://www.cfdshopnumbers.com/ will be back on line soon so we can look up some of these replacements?? thank you
#37 by Luke Jackson on August 22, 2024 - 12:04 PM
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Colton you can see the back end of the O’hare engine in some of the pics that Fire Service Inc posted of E-56 and E-122. It is a tandem axle engine.
#38 by Chicagoland Fire Photos on August 22, 2024 - 11:12 AM
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My best guess for who would be getting the other 5 engines would be
Engine 101 (Currently no frontline)
Engine 107
Engine 44
A random downtown engine?
Any of the 01-02 Luvernes (I.E. 110/107/79/4/ETC.)
#39 by Bill Post on August 22, 2024 - 10:52 AM
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When it comes to Chicago buying New Apparatus, so far so good. The fact that we have a dozen Engines on order plus more Trucks and 2 Tower Ladders isn’t bad especially if you consider that the contract that CFD is going on has been extended after 5 years.
One thing that I haven’t seen mentioned here even though it had been mentioned in Fire Apparatus Journal is that both 5111 and 5112 (Haz Mats 1 and 2 ) are being replaced by 2 piece Units. The first piece is a Haz Mat Squad and the 2nd piece sounds like it will be a supply or support Unit. Those 4 rigs are supposed to be delivered this year however it appears that there is another supply related delay because we should have heard more about them by now. In addition to more Engines and Trucks on order, I understand that an order of 40 Ambulances are being delivered. I
It is also seem unusual that as of the last several months there have been several fire station remodeling jobs going on simultaneously which have called for relocating apparatus to other fire stations,Engine 94, 93 and 89 have been effected and not more than a year ago Engine 125 house was temporarily shut down.
As of the last month Local 2 (the Chicago Fire Fighter Union) have been publicized their contract negotiations but even more so their desire for the City to expand the CFD’s ambulance fleet from 80 to 100 ambulances as well as bringing back the Battalion Chief drivers and reducing the daily fire company manning variances there will be less companies running a man short at 4 men instead of 5.
I am have been familiar with their desire to ad ambulances to the fleet as in series of Reports on Channel 2 several years ago former EMS supervisor Pat Fitzmaurice told of a report describing the need for a fleet of 100 Ambulances.
Here is a more recent report interview the current head of Local 2.
https://youtu.be/YZJIile5ZI8?si=_1YfESKXuZdtyfH_
https://youtu.be/y9rstaKJSiA?si=SKA7TX2FAlTDrZmC
#40 by Colton Latham on August 22, 2024 - 10:48 AM
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Martin, I doubt 16 will be getting replaced as it is a 2022 and has been back in service for a little over a year now.
Luke, The new engine for O’hare will probably be going to 12, although with how many issues 9 has, I can maybe see it going there. Will this new one for O’hare be a single or tandem axel engine?
#41 by Mike C on August 22, 2024 - 7:09 AM
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We can speculate all we want as to who is getting the new engines but until it’s backed into the station and called into service, the numbers on the side don’t matter. We all know the city abruptly changes the assignment quite often.
Now the real question – will the city continue to buy new apparatus? They have a long way to go till they have a halfway decent fleet but seems like they’re trending in a better direction.
#42 by Luke Jackson on August 21, 2024 - 10:36 PM
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From what I’ve read in FAJ there are currently 12 engines on order. The first 6 have already been built and are being delivered. There’s also a new engine for O’hare as well that has been completed. Looks similar to E-9 & E-10 but I’m unsure as to who will actually get it.
#43 by Martin on August 21, 2024 - 10:30 PM
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Not sure how accurate but someone in another post said 7, 16, 56, 78, 106,122. I don’t recall the last company.
#44 by Aidan Hughes on August 21, 2024 - 8:47 PM
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The new rigs for both Engines 56 and 122 have all been delivered and are still awaiting to start service. Another one of the new Engines just arrived at the fleet shops not too long ago but where will it be assigned to?
#45 by Danny on August 21, 2024 - 7:47 PM
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Engine one twenty two is in whatever spare happens to be available there rig was totalled
#46 by Harry on August 21, 2024 - 6:48 PM
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Well engine 106. 7. Are still 2001-2002 and when I was last at 106 they told me they do about 90 runs a month with the engine
#47 by Michael m on August 21, 2024 - 6:26 PM
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The current engine 56 is a 2001. Hopefully with this group all the 00-02 rigs are now in the reserve fleet. Engine 122 is a 09.
#48 by as11 on August 21, 2024 - 2:42 PM
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Saw some posts circling that said there are 7 new engines on the way. 56 & 122 obviously being two of those.
#49 by crabbymilton on August 21, 2024 - 1:39 PM
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Sharp looker there. Plus it looks great with the painted wheels
#50 by Anonymous on August 21, 2024 - 1:28 PM
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Engines 56 and 122 are getting the new E-One engines, according to Fire Service Inc on their Facebook and Deliveries page on their website. Who else in Chicago is getting the new E-One pumpers?