Oswego Fire Protection District news

This from Brian K:

The Oswego Fire Protection District is looking at a new truck and engine to replace engine 22 for corrosion issues & truck 1 after it was involved in an accident

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21 Comments

#1 by Mike C on September 14, 2022 - 11:01 AM

Hairy never seizes to amaze me!

Seagrave engines currently have a lead time of about 550 days and trucks are approximately 660 days.

If Hairy knew how some of these contracts read, he might have a clear understanding why some of these rigs are delivered faster than others. In addition, based on current affairs at Seagrave they have some open slots on the line due to cancelled orders. Also, it’s not uncommon for Seagrave to put a rig that has already been started to the side to keep the FDNY rigs moving. FDNY currently has over 100 rigs on order with Seagrave. In any rate, the color of the rig has NOTHING to do with the amount of time it takes to get a rig.
#2 by Brian K on September 14, 2022 - 6:00 AM

If they are really in need a used truck auroras truck 21 is on sale over at fleet service and they use them for there engines already they should jump on that because they are still with out the truck they have engine 4 running out of station 1 and the reserve pierce out of station 4 https://fireserviceinc.com/used-apparatus/
#3 by Tom W on September 13, 2022 - 10:11 PM

I’m throwing up the BS flag now! Localguy and Mike C, the bait worked and you snagged Harry!!!! Change the color and a department will get their rig quicker? Can they add a discharge port, wheel, ladder, bell, whistle or siren too? Will this have an impact on delivery time? What if we order a “unique colored truck(do engines count also?) with 1 head light, 2 engineer seats, 3 pump panels, an unusual amount of discharges/intakes and an unusual tank size? This truck(or maybe an engine) could be ready in a month, or even sooner?!?
#4 by Danny on September 13, 2022 - 10:07 PM

on what harry is talking about…

Seagrave aerials the last 2 years have been delivered faster then engines have. Lexington Ky ordered an engine and a tower in April of 2020 and the aerialscope tower was delivered the end of December 2020 and the engine was delivered in October of 2021. the previous 2019 aerialscope was the same ordered in April 2019 delivered in December 2019. It has nothing to do with the color of the rig at all its more to do with production delays impacting engines more so then ladders and tower due to part shortages all up and down the supply chain.
#5 by Harry on September 13, 2022 - 9:06 PM

Localguy my understanding is because they like to build the unique colored truck quicker because it is different
#6 by Localguy on September 13, 2022 - 7:32 PM

Ok Harry, I’ll bite. Please explain how the paint color speeds up the delivery process???
#7 by Harry on September 13, 2022 - 6:00 PM

Mike c well please explain how pbg got the new seagrave truck in 11 months I have news for u the color has to do with that
#8 by Mike C on September 13, 2022 - 3:00 PM

Red fire apparatus has a longer lead time due to the chip shortage in red paint.

Hairy – Are you well in tune with the supply chain? When you state “there is really no shortages” you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about.

Also, FDNY ordered these rigs a very long time ago! They are waiting more than 6-12 months to get their rigs! The rear mount ladders have been on order for over a year and they still don’t have any of them!
#9 by Brian on September 13, 2022 - 11:51 AM

Montgomery should loan Oswego their Tower, it rarely if ever gets out the door and the Oswego Tower is a/a on Montgomery structure fires.
#10 by Localguy on September 13, 2022 - 11:04 AM

Sign a 100 million dollar contract and see what a manufacturer will do for you. Not to mention the business they gain just bc a fire dept like Boston uses their rigs.
#11 by Localguy on September 13, 2022 - 11:00 AM

Harry, how does the FDNY and other major fire depts get rigs so quick. Like Chicago and Boston? Because the company (eone) for example. Those factories have Boston only or Chicago only manufacturing lines. They have employees that come in and ONLY work on Chicago rigs, or Boston rigs. Everyday, week after week.
#12 by crabbymilton on September 13, 2022 - 9:00 AM

Perhaps some other department canceled their order hence a quick delivery.
#13 by Harry on September 12, 2022 - 9:12 PM

Mike u tell me I phycally have a photo of the new pbg seagrave the day it came and it has been that way since they ordered there first pierce after pierce messed up the color and since everytime they get a new rig it is always 6-12 months how is FDNY getting there rigs quick because there is really no shortages I think it’s excuses because people don’t want to work also the roselle Ford f series is back in service
#14 by Tim on September 12, 2022 - 8:23 PM

Harrry is right. Every shade of red is on back order and every shade of green is currently available.
#15 by Mike L on September 12, 2022 - 5:26 PM

Outstanding insight as always, harry!!!
#16 by Mike on September 12, 2022 - 5:08 PM

Harry please tell us how the color of an apparatus speeds up the delivery time by over a year???
#17 by Harry on September 12, 2022 - 4:43 PM

I am not sure how palm Beach gardens fl got there 2022 seagrave ladder so quick from order date to delivery was 11 months but I would guess the color had a lot to do with it
#18 by Mike C on September 12, 2022 - 10:08 AM

I stand behind what Drew is stating. I think many departments in the past bought 75′ for the single rear axle. Now that E-One and Pierce both offer 100 or 107′ ladders on a single axle with a pump, you don’t see 75′ ladders ordered to the same magnitude. In any rate, I don’t think 75′ ladders are all that valuable in todays day.
#19 by Drew Smith on September 11, 2022 - 12:05 PM

Height is not the argument for a 100 foot versus 75 foot aerial. The argument is reach. A 75-ft aerial’s reach is vertical at the 75-degree climbing angle. At that angle the apparatus needs to be no more than about 20 feet from the structure. Take into account that about 7-8 feet of that 20 will be the aerial’s body and stabilizer and now you have to be about 13 feet away. Lower than same aerial to reach the roof of a two-story home with the average setback of 50 feet from curb to structure and your reach is marginal. All this assumes the aerial is set square to the structure and not at any angle. Look at the reach/extension diagrams supplied by the manufacturer for a better understanding of this. In the end, the 100 footer wins.
#20 by Michael m on September 11, 2022 - 7:22 AM

That’s terrible if their truck was in an accident! That community cannot be without any aerial device for that long! Not surprised that E-One will be building their new engine. They have been going with E-One engines for awhile now.
I think it is excellent that they are exploring the idea of getting a used truck until their new one can be built. Knowing Oswego, the Glenside quint will work. They do not have any really tall buildings that they would need the 100ft ladder for. The quint could fit in some of the driveways that are longer.
#21 by Cmk420 on September 10, 2022 - 10:44 PM

I read, in their minutes, that Glenside FPD in Glendale Heights might be selling their EOne quint. Read that it is still in decent shape. Something Oswego might want to look into, if the information is still current & true.
Overall, it sounds like a bad situation to be in.