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Auction #2464250 – 1985 E-ONE HURRICANE FIRE TRUCK
Current Price $400.00 (Reserve not met yet)
Year: 1985Manufacturer: E-ONE HURRICANEModel: FIRE TRUCKHours: 6,647VIN: 1F9BBBA83F1037326Running Condition: MAY START WITH A JUMPNOTE: AIR LEAK AND OIL LEAK; BAD OUTRIGGER; KEYLESS IGNITION (Other unidentified parts may be missing; operational condition of equipment not known.)Auction Started: Dec 20, 2019 4:48:52 PM MST
Auction Ends: Dec 27, 2019 2:30:00 PM MST
1985 E-ONE HURRICANE FIRE TRUCK
thanks Dennis
#1 by harry on December 29, 2019 - 2:23 PM
to mike I understand u don’t care how many depts. I have visited and while uyes u have expierce in a field I don’t being an evt but u bashing pierce does not mean they are all bad because with more brands out there than just pierce any dept has multiple choices as for Milwaukee they are strictly piere frontline and likely reserve so some towns have had issues but other brands have those problems too pierce may not be the best to some but as u said they are the majority take for instance the Frankfort snorkel it was not pierce but yet it was a lemon u have your opinion and others have theres
#2 by Steve on December 29, 2019 - 12:00 PM
Howdy Bill,
If looking for financials I would recommend the 10-K’s of each company. The 2018 for Oshkosh Corp is interesting as it shows Pierce doing quite well from 2017. Mind you, these numbers are consolidated but broken out by division, so you can see what the Fire & Emergency segment actually did. Comparison is a bit more difficult as each company has a different breakout of their segments. For example, this is from the Oshkosh 10-K describing the Fire & Emergency group. This segment includes Pierce, Airport Products and Kewaunee. These business units design, manufacture and market commercial and custom fire vehicles, simulators and emergency vehicles primarily for fire departments, airports and other governmental units, and broadcast vehicles for broadcasters and TV stations in the U.S. and abroad.
Happy hunting. Unfortunately, actual individual sales/ engine counts will be pretty hard to dig up.
#3 by Tim on December 29, 2019 - 10:19 AM
DCFD also has 6 engines and 7 tillers on order from Seagrave.
#4 by Mike C on December 28, 2019 - 10:51 AM
Bill Post – I don’t think Pierce is in any trouble. They clearly dominate the market in sales. Last I heard Pierce was producing approximately 1,500 rigs per year. If I had to guess E-One, KME, or Ferrara is number 2 by a substantial difference from Pierce. If I had to guess E-One, KME, and Ferrara doesn’t sell as many as Pierce combined but I’m not sure. Rosenbauer also has a pretty large part of the market. Seagrave will produce in the range of 100-120 rigs in 2020 but not sure on the exact number since they will be producing a substantial amount of pumpers for FDNY. Due to the strong economy at the present time, I’m thinking most apparatus builders in America are doing relatively well.
Harry – I don’t care how many departments you’ve visited. I haven’t visited many at all but I have hands on experience from my many years as an EVT. I’ve worked on most brands of apparatus and know which brands are better than others. Pierce certainly isn’t the best although they have the majority in the market. My suggestion to you is that you start bringing constructive dialogue to this page to make the fire service a better industry.
#5 by Bill Post on December 28, 2019 - 2:25 AM
Look, most of us already know that Pierce is the largest fire apparatus manufacturer and number one in sales however I would like more information. I would like to know what the current rankings are of all of major fire apparatus manufacturers in terms of sales and number of customers. I would like to know what percentage of apparatus sales each has. I would like to know which ones have been increasing their market share and which are decreasing in recent years. It would also be good to know how many buyers are repeat customers versus one time customers? That’s the information that can really tell what is going on with Pierce and the other manufacturers.
Besides Pierce you have E-One, SpartanErv, Ferrara, Seagrave, Smeal, Rosenbauer, KME, HME, Sutphen, EVI, Marion, and several others. So more important than Pierce being number one I am curious to know who is number 2 etc and how far apart are they. Is Pierce losing market share, gaining, or running steady. Based on what people on this site are talking about it seems that Pierce may be going down and that some others are going up in sales.
From my observations it appears that Ferrara, Spartan, Rosenbauer, and perhaps Seagrave may be increasing sales. Even though E-One, Ferrara, and KME all are part of the REV group they are operated as independent companies which is the way it should be done.
So Mike C, Harry and anyone else who is reading this, do you have the actual numbers and statistics? I am curious as to what place E-One is in and how far below Pierce are in market share. I’m sure the information is available somewhere however some manufacturers may want to keep it quiet. Those numbers can actually tell if Pierce is in trouble or not.
#6 by Cmk420 on December 27, 2019 - 2:32 PM
So, Harry–what’s your “endgame” here? To me, part of that last post was a bit “standoffish.” No, none of us here know you & you don’t know us, but some of your posts??
Yes, I will admit that some of the information you provide is informative; however, I am of the opinion (as I have stated previously) that I cannot believe that any FD, PD, PW or EMS would just willingly give you information. The same premise applies–they don’t know you & you don’t know them, so what gives?
So, you have visited 250 to 300 different agencies. By comparison, I have only visited somewhere between 25 and 50, but when I go there, I ask permission first & when I do go, I am not asking questions which apparatus is better than the next, or which they prefer. I look at the “big picture.” And, just for clarification, I am not a chief or Command officer, I am just a firefighter/EMT who likes to get more insight as to how the whole job is done.
Bottom line–everyone is entitled to their own opinions and all of us, on this page, need to respect that, not try to “one up” the next guy. Thank you.
#7 by harry on December 27, 2019 - 9:25 AM
mike c not to argue but I have never met u and u have never met me and do u know where I have traveled no u don’t
and yes a lot of ff and mechanics tell me things about the rigs
I have been to well over 250 to 300 fire police and public works depts so I know more than u give me credit for
but mike at least I am sure we can agree on one thing this old eone is quality and weather u want to admit it but not all pierce rigs are bad because the town of sandwich ma had a 2007 sutphen engine that had severe rest carosion so it is not just pierce
#8 by Mike C on December 27, 2019 - 7:32 AM
Harry, You are the last person I want “educating” me. It’s great to have passion for the fire service. It’s another thing for someone with little or no experience in the fire service who supposedly speaks with a lot of people in the fire service trying to educate me.
#9 by harry on December 24, 2019 - 9:40 PM
well city of Waukesha had eone and currenly has pierce and yes they both have rust issues and also palm beach gardens florida where I love to go had a 6.0 ford truck as a utility and the frame rusted thought at under 27000 miles does that mean fords are bad heck no and as for the 6.0 motor they loved it never any problems nothing will change I still prefer eone for reliably and pierce for reliabily and looks I can name many depts. that have pierce and have had great luck hanover pk has better luck with pierce than eone as for seagrave I know franklin park will likely never buy another seagrave there truck was a lemon from day one
#10 by Mike C on December 24, 2019 - 7:22 PM
For the record, I have no association to E-One. I have been an EVT for 16 years working on pretty much every brand. Just as Rich S states, the paint on the Chicago aerials is falling off. Corrosion is excessive. I remember when Chicago was sending the Pierce ladders to Van Eck in Elgin, now known as Kards for corrosion repair on the mains. At the time, these trucks were 5-8 years old and already in horrible condition.
In my years of experience, I can tell you that Pierce is no better than most other brands. In fact, when it comes to quality, they’re on the lower end of the spectrum. Look at all the recalls on the Tak4 and the proprietary multi-plex Command Zone. The corrosion to this day is out of control.
For those who know me, know that E-One is actually not my brand of choice. Seagrave is at my top but it’s hard to go wrong with Sutphen. Here’s a tip for all of you on an apparatus committee…Spec your rig right and know that you’ll have solid after the sale support from the manufacturer.
#11 by rich s. on December 24, 2019 - 2:24 PM
Proof is in the pudding so to speak these E-one rigs lasted 30+ years and if they referbed the body and electrical stuff they would probably go on for another 30. These are by far the best aerial ladders and outriggers on the market. We are terribly hard on our fleet and these rigs stood the test with flying colors.
#12 by rich s. on December 24, 2019 - 2:20 PM
Craig Mack,
I’m not a E-One sales man or rep and I am just an end user but I must agree with those who don’t like the Pierce product since the early 2000’s. I use the trucks in the city and the Pierce rigs are a pain in the a#@ with there mechanical and electrical issues. The rust and corrosion on the main aerials is ridiculous. There are rigs that have all the paint falling off of the body as well. And the officers seat is like riding in a box that’s not big enough.
#13 by Tim on December 24, 2019 - 10:25 AM
Harry I can’t disagree with you. I used to drive a 671 non turbo Detroit with a 5 speed Spicer. About 250HP hauling around 750 gallons of water and stainless steel body and cab. A complete dog but sounded awesome coming down the street. Didn’t need emergency lights as we couldn’t pass anyone. Then we got into the 8V92s. Those were dangerous as the rigs were like race cars. Some of you old guys can relate.
#14 by michael m on December 24, 2019 - 12:57 AM
I am impressed that truck lasted 34 years! Is this the last of the 1985’s. I am sure with the new Tower ladder 10 they can finally get rid of the last of the 1985’s.
#15 by Craig Mack on December 24, 2019 - 12:43 AM
Pretty sure Mike C is the regional e-one salesman. Its very telling of a type of product you sell when you have to go on a nameless online forum and bash the other product on every single picture. Very annoyong. Doesn’t matter tho, Pierce’s product speaks for itself, and they will remain top dogs of the market.
#16 by harry on December 23, 2019 - 10:19 PM
was this tower 39 old 85 eone
#17 by harry on December 23, 2019 - 10:15 PM
tim yes considering most depts. did not have the plymo vent intill the mid 90s but me it is my opinion I love the old diesels how they sound and how the huge cloud of black smoke came out of the tailpipe and it was a very distictive sound the old Detroit dieselsi definely see your point tim and as for me I know it is not just pierce that fall apart quick all firetrucks have there bad apples
#18 by Tim on December 23, 2019 - 8:39 PM
Geeze Mike, you can’t ever just make a comment without the Pierce jag. I know a few guys that were riding these old rigs. Guess what? They were not fans of riding around in rickety, tired, beat up 30 + old apparatus. No heat in the front…of course the guys in the canopy didn’t have any, questionable power steering, constant electrical gremlins. The old diesels, (especially the 2 cycle Detroits) spitting out more smoke than a factory fire. Ever work in a firehouse with a Detroit Diesel in it? Your pillow and bedding reeks of exhaust. Yea, the City got it’s moneys worth if that’s how you want to look at it.
#19 by Mike C on December 23, 2019 - 6:30 PM
I’d say the city got their money worth! Guarantee none of the Pierce aerials will last this long! They were falling apart within 5 years of age!
#20 by harry on December 23, 2019 - 4:18 PM
it will be sad to see her go that is true quality