Excerpts from firelawblog.com:
An Illinois fire department has filed suit against Seagrave Fire Apparatus, LLC, alleging breach of contract, breach of warranty, and violation of the state’s “lemon law” due to problems with a new 105-foot Apollo aerial platform. The Lockport Township Fire Protection District filed suit today in US District Court for the Northern District of Illinois.
The Seagrave Model TP7KCT Marauder 105’ Apollo Quint rear mount platform was ordered in 2020, along with a Seagrave Marauder pumper. The aerial platform was delivered in March of 2022, but has been plagued with a number of mechanical problems outlined in the complaint. These include:
- On April 10, 2022, the ladder failed to be stowed properly. Additionally, the raise and lower valve handle failed.
- The following day, after setup, an outrigger drifted, twisting the pin—causing 360° rotation at approximately 70’ ladder extension, 50° incline, with two men in the air. LTFPD immediately suspended training.
- On April 14, 2022, LTFPD held conference call with Seagrave to discuss issues. Seagrave blamed hydraulic issues—correctible with programing.
- One week later, Emergency Vehicle Technician and Fleet Mechanic Brian Fisher (“Fisher”) and Seagrave identified sensor issues and adjusted the programing. However, they were unsuccessful in recreating April 11, 2022 drift issue.
- On April 22, 2022, training resumed.
- The following day, while operating the lift from side to side, the “green” light that indicates that the outrigger is planted would not illuminate. Upon further testing and inspection, Fisher thought the problem was resolved; however, he quickly noticed puddle(s) of hydraulic fluid on the garage floor apron.
- On April 27, 2022, the Apollo platform was returned to Seagrave to be inspected.
- After two weeks, repairs were made and the Apollo platform was returned.
- On May 16, 2022, Fisher advised LTFPD repairs were done and the training continued.
- On June 2, 2022, the Apollo platform went into full service.
- On June 8, 2022, LTFPD found broken wear pads and old bolts that were left in outrigger channel(s).
- On June 14, 2022, Fisher, who was replacing faulty sensors, found motor bolts to be “hand-tight.” LTFPD cut off the Apollo platform from service indefinitely.
On June 17, 2022, Fire Chief John O’ Connor informed Seagrave that LTFPD considered the device to be “unsafe and inoperable for use” and sought to return it for a full refund of $1,369,220.00. The President and CEO of Seagrave, Ulisses D. Parmeziani, disagreed that the device was unsafe or inoperable, but offered to repurchase truck for “fair market value.”
LTFPD engaged legal counsel and countered by demanding that Seagrave:
- accept return of Apollo platform and refund $1,369,220.00 for the Apollo platform; or
- deliver Apollo platform to an agreed upon qualified third- party inspector to be paid at Seagrave’s expense; agreed to pay the repair bills/costs to be completed by an independent vendor; return Apollo platform to LTFPD at Seagrave’s expense; extend Seagrave Limited Warranty three (3) years from date all issues are resolved; reimburse LTFPD for their legal bills incurred.
According to the complaint, when Seagrave failed to respond to the attorney’s demands, they opted to file suit. The four count complaint alleges breach of contract, breach of express warranty under 810 ILCS 5/2-313, breach of express warranty of material and workmanship, and breach of Illinois’ New Vehicle Buyer Protection Act (815 ILCS 380).
thanks Drew
#1 by Mike on September 25, 2022 - 8:10 PM
This is a brand new rig. Why is their mechanic even working on this? I have a feeling this isn’t going to get the lemon law. So then what do they do? Sounds like some knee jerk reactions
#2 by Big Moe on September 25, 2022 - 12:54 AM
Mike L knows more than he lets on. He is a sharp apparatus guy.
#3 by Mike L on September 24, 2022 - 1:04 PM
It lost hydraulic pressure and retracted. It did this while the main was up and out with personnel in the basket. Oops.
#4 by Mike L on September 24, 2022 - 11:33 AM
Maybe they’ll try E-One again. Either way, I’m sure they’re happy harry isn’t interested in anything down there.
#5 by Steve Axis on September 24, 2022 - 11:25 AM
What does it mean when they say “an outrigger drifted”?
#6 by Mike C on September 24, 2022 - 6:41 AM
Flat out embarrassing! These appear to be issues of negligence within the factory. Seagrave better get it together or they’re going to get themselves in more trouble! I always loved the Seagrave product and I’d even go as far to say they’re probably one of the best builders out there but this definitely doesn’t demonstrate what they are known for.
I feel bad for the dealer who sold this. He is a top notch guy!
#7 by Tim on September 23, 2022 - 9:21 PM
Guess they won’t be buying Seagrave anymore.
#8 by Ted on September 23, 2022 - 5:21 PM
Things were much more dependable when things were operated mechanically…I dont really care if it is engine, pump, transmission, aerial, chassis, suspension, etc!!! Have bright lights, and chiney switches really improved anything automotive???? and Batteries are going to make it all better…..
#9 by Michael m on September 23, 2022 - 3:16 PM
That is unfortunate all that happened to Lockport with a brand new Truck. I wonder why there were sensor issues and why it was leaking hydraulic fluid. Does anyone know when an aerial fails to bed properly what is usually the issue? Seagrave does not want to own up to the fact that the tower is a lemon. Let alone take a 1.3 million dollar write off. They should learn from Pierce issues. They should give Lockport a full refund and or build them a new tower with a different cab and chassis. It was only in full service for 12 days, that sucks!
I am sure they are back in their 1999 Pierce stick.
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#10 by Hunter on September 23, 2022 - 3:15 PM
Lockport has its own mechanic
#11 by Mike on September 23, 2022 - 1:49 PM
Harry what do you know about this. Anyone from public works talk to you?
#12 by Bob on September 23, 2022 - 12:33 PM
I seem to remember another seagrave marauder tower ladder that was returned in the past and then resold to another department. If i remember correctly the tower was originally purchased by Bridgeton, NJ. Not sure if it is for the same reason or not but just odd to me.