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Thoughts on CFD apparatus needs – a commentary

Thoughts from Bill Post about recent comments made regarding CFD spare apparatus for Tower Ladder 10 and Squad 1:

One of the great things about Tower Ladder 10’s location, is that they are not more than a mile and a half away from Fleet Management (the shops), so they could easily have work done on their rig whenever they wish. The oldest front line tower ladders though are three, 1996 HME/LTIs that are at Tower Ladders 21, 37, and 39, all of which are 16 years old. The CFD had been trying to replace most of their rigs within 10 to 15 years of frontline service. That said, Tower Ladder 21’s rig looks pretty good and it’s been getting it’s share of extra alarms lately. Tower ladders are listed on the city of Chicago’s official 2012 buying plan issued by the department of Procurement Services. This means that they intend to have bids requested to build them.

My concern is about the spare Snorkel that was running as Squad 1. That’s the only spare 55′ Snorkel left. I understand that it’s twin was gotten rid of over the last few years. Most readers of this site probably know by now that the CFD has been wanting to replace the three Snorkel Squads for the last few years, and that it has even been listed on Chicago’s official buying plan.

The catch, is that American LaFrance (ALF) holds the manufacturing rights to the Snorkel brand that they acquired from the old Snorkel corporation that went out of business (over 10 years ago), and ALF refuses to build any new Snorkels. The alternative is to rehab and remount an old Snorkel on a new chassis and body which several fire departments that still use Snorkels have done already. When there are fewer Snorkels out there, it becomes more difficult to even find Snorkels to rebuild and remount. 

I have heard that there may be other manufacturers that would be willing to design their own aerial similar to a "Snorkel", however it would be very expensive.  So, it would be much simpler if American LaFrance would just sell the rights to the Snorkel if not just build them again. Even though you see less of them in use, there are still a few major and several smaller fire departments that use Snorkels. The Memphis (TN) fire department had been running with two single-piece Snorkel Squads (which had been been using remounted Snorkels on newer chassis) and the Philadelphia (PA) fire department had been using two remounted full-size Snorkels. Since both Memphis and Chicago make extensive use of the smaller Snorkel Squads, it would be a good idea if they would start a class-action suit against American LaFrance to either manufacture the Snorkel or to at least let another company (who is willing to build the Snorkel) have the specs and rights to build them. The irony about this is that the Chicago Fire Department and our old repair shops is where the idea for the original Snorkel began, and our old repair shops even outfitted the original Snorkel for fire service applications. American LaFrance now owns the original Snorkel (which served as Snorkel 1 and Snorkel Squad 3) as part of their historic collection, even though they never actually built or outfitted the rig. The boom and platform were actually built by the Pitman Corporation. It really seems as if they are holding the fire service (in general) and Chicago Fire Department (in particular) hostage.

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The color of fire trucks (part 4)

The next installment in this series about Chicago area fire trucks looks into departments in MABAS Division 3 that over the years have changed over to red fire apparatus. Also highlighted is a department that was always red but at one time had an engine that was a different color.

Deerfield had two Ward LaFrance P80 series engines with the Ambassador cab. Engine 720 was delivered in 1973 with a 1,250-GPM pump and Engine 712 came in 1977. Engine 720 carried 750 gallons of water , Engine 712 carried 1,000 gallons, and both were painted white over lime green.

Deerfield-Bannockburn Fire Department 1977 Ward LaFrance Ambassador engine

Deerfield Engine 712 was a 1977 Ward LaFrance P80 with an Ambassador cab. It had a 1,500-GPM pump with 1,000 gallons of water. Larry Shapiro collection

The Glenbrook Fire Protection District (formerly the Glenview Rural Fire Protection District) merged with the Glenview Fire Department in 1992. The original Glenview Rural trucks were red, then sometime after the district name changed  the Glenbrook apparatus was transitioned to yellow. Subsequent purchases arrived yellow. The department had three American LaFrance Pioneer Series engines, one of which was a newer Pioneer II model. They also had a small squad and a 1968 Ford/Snorkel. The red 75-foot Snorkel was refurbished in 1986 and came back yellow from Pierce with a new four-door Arrow cab. Later they purchased a newer squad from Hackney and two Pierce Arrow engines.

Glenbrook Fire Protection District Engine 144 1976 American LaFrance Pioneer

Glenbrook Engine 144 was a 1976 Pioneer Series from American LaFrance with 750 gallons of water and a 1,250-GPM pump. Larry Shapiro collection

Glenview apparatus has always been red. In 1975, they purchased a pumper-squad from Seagrave with a 300-gallon water tank. Squad 8 came white over lime green. This unit was later repainted red but retained the white roof.

Glenview Fire Department 1975 Seagrave PB series pumper squad

Glenview had this one unit that was not painted red. Pumper-Squad 8 was a 1975 Seagrave P-Series with 300 gallons of water and a 1,500-GPM pump. Larry Shapiro collection

For many years, Northbrook painted their units yellow, having previously been red. They had three engines, a Sutphen tower ladder, two squad units, and utility vehicles that were yellow. They also had a matching yellow stripe on their modular ambulances. The apparatus changed to white over red in 1996 when they received two engines, a squad, and a ladder from Pierce.

Northbrook Fire Department Engine 58 1975 American LaFrance Pacemaker

Northbrook Engine 58 was a 1975 American LaFrance Pacemaker Series engine with 500 gallons of water and a 1,000-GPM pump. The Pacemaker was a conventional custom fire cab by TCM instead of an American LaFrance custom Century or Pioneer cab. Larry Shapiro collection

The Park Ridge Fire Department ran with white over lime green apparatus for many years. Including this conventional Pirsch engine, they had a Mack CF/Pirsch mid-mount ladder, a custom cab-over Pirsch engine, and two Seagrave WB Series low profile engines that were painted to match. They also had stripes on their modular ambulances that matched the apparatus. All but the mid-mount ladder were later repainted red.

Park Ridge 1958 conventional Pirsch fire engine

Park Ridge Engine 44 shown here at a fire scene, was a 1958 conventional cab Pirsch with 500 gallons of water and a 1,000-GPM pump. Steve Redick collection

To see the earlier posts in this series, enter the word color into the search field.

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Chicago 3-11 Alarm fire in Bridgeport 12-31-11

Chicago 3-11 alarm fire at 1428 w 37th Street 12-31-11

Looking at the scene facing west on 37th Street, Engine 29 is on a hydrant with Squad 1A and Tower Ladder 37 working in Sector 1. Larry Shapiro photo

Chicago 3-11 alarm fire at 1428 w 37th Street 12-31-11

Light smoke pushes out of the building at 1428 W. 27th Street this morning. Josh Boyajian photo

At approximately 8AM this morning the Chicago Fire Department received a report of black smoke coming from a four-story warehouse at 1427 W. 37th Street. First arriving companies reported a fire and the alarm was elevated to a 2-11 within minutes. A 3-11 was struck roughly a half hour later which was struck out around 9:30AM. Three tower ladders and the Snorkel from Squad 1 were all working along with one multi-versal and hand lines. Seven engines (19, 28, 29, 39, 49, 50, and 65) were working at the scene as well.

Chicago 3-11 alarm fire at 1428 w 37th Street 12-31-11

55-gallon drums were stacked throughout the building prompting a Haz Mat Level I, though the barrels were empty. Larry Shapiro photo

A Level I Haz Mat was requested when companies discovered stacks of 55-gallon drums inside the building, but the drums turned out to be empty as the building’s occupant is a manufacturer of industrial drums and containers.

Chicago 3-11 alarm fire at 1428 w 37th Street 12-31-11

Squad 1 works in the background and Engine 29 supplies them with water. Josh Boyajian photo

Chicago 3-11 alarm fire at 1428 w 37th Street 12-31-11

Higgins Brothers, Inc. manufactures industrial drums and containers. Larry Shapiro photo

Chicago 3-11 alarm fire at 1428 w 37th Street 12-31-11

Tower Ladder 5 was in the rear of the building. Larry Shapiro photo

Chicago 3-11 alarm fire at 1428 w 37th Street 12-31-11

Tower Ladder 37 was setup at the 1-2 corner of the building on 37th Street. Larry Shapiro photo

Chicago 3-11 alarm fire at 1428 w 37th Street 12-31-11

Tower Ladder 39, running with a spare unit, was in the adjacent lot on the east side of the building in Sector 4. Larry Shapiro photo

Chicago 3-11 alarm fire at 1428 w 37th Street 12-31-11

Companies enter in the rear of the building after the fire is knocked down. Larry Shapiro photo

The Chicago Tribune has an article on the fire HERE.

Larry Shapiro and Tim Olk were at the scene as well as several other photographers. A gallery can be found HERE.

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University Park Fire Department is added

University Park Fire Department station

University Park Station 1 at 698 Burnham Drive. Karl Klotz photo

In MABAS Division 27, the University Park Fire Department has been added to the site. This department has almost completed a change to black over red apparatus throughout the fleet. Previously, the rigs were black over white over lime green which was the color scheme used by the department under its’ former name. Prior to 1984, the village and subsequently the fire department was call Park Forest South. As a means to achieve autonomy, the village became University Park in 1984 and the fire department, being a municipal department, changed as well. A well documented department history is available on the fire department website HERE.

University Park Fire Department

The last piece of apparatus in the University Park fleet to carry the old color scheme is Engine 76. Karl Klotz photo

Recently, the department received a new E-ONE tower ladder. They traded three older pieces to the dealer; a Hendrickson/American/LTI tower ladder and two Hendrickson/FMC engines.

Park Forest South Fire Department

In 1980, the Park Forest South Fire Department received this unit for Engine 78. Built on a Hendrickson chassis with an 1871S cab, the body was fabricated by FMC. Larry Shapiro collection

University Park Fire Department Hendrickson FMC engine

University Park Engine 78 as it sits in the dealer's yard after being traded in. Karl Klotz photo

 

Park Forest South Fire Department

University Park recently replaced this 1976 Hendrickson/American Fire/LTI 85' tower ladder which was originally labeled for the Park Forest South Fire Department. Larry Shapiro collection

University Park Hendrickson American LTI

Old Tower 85 is also parked as its' fate is determined. Karl Klotz photo

 

University Park has a mixture of E-ONE and American LaFrance apparatus in addition to a Spartan/FMC/RPI/Pierce engine that formerly belonged to Beecher, IL. Both of the department’s ambulances are Type I units from Medtec on IHC chassis.

University Park Fire Department

Beecher Fire Department engine

Beecher Engine 406 began as a 1984 Spartan/FMC engine with open jump seats. In 1994, it was sent to RPI in Tipton, IN to have the cab enclosed. In 2001, it was rehabbed by Pierce with a new body. Bill Friedrich photo

Beecher Fire Department Spartan FMC Omega pumper

The Beecher Volunteer Fire Department took delivery of this FMC Omega pumper with a top-mount 'membrane' pump panel in 1984 on a Spartan chassis with a 2-dr CFC cab. Larry Shapiro collection

Karl Klotz provided the current department information and images.

 

 

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Hillside has been added to the site

Hillside Fire Department

The Hillside Fire Station has been modified since this photo was taken and now has a second floor. Bill Friedrich photo

In MABAS Division 20, the Hillside Fire Department has been added to the site. Hillside operates out of one station at 523 N. Wolf Road, and they house two ambulances, two engines, a truck company, and a light-duty rescue. Apparatus is a mixture of Road Rescue, Medtec, Pierce, American LaFrance, KME, and Grumman. Any day now the Grumman will be retired and replaced with a new Pierce quint as seen HERE.

Hillside Fire Department Grumman AerialCat

This tower ladder is being replaced by a new Pierce 105' ladder.

Hillside Fire Department Pierce Arrow XT PUC

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Western Springs history added

Western Springs Fire Department Cadillac ambulance

The Western Springs Fire Department photo history has been added to their page. Located in MABAS Division 10, Western Springs has a rich history featuring Ward LaFrance, FWD, Seagrave, E-ONE, American LaFrance, and Pierce apparatus. Originally white, their rigs transitioned to white over red beginning with an American LaFrance Ladder Chief Quint in 1977. Three of their units were repainted to accommodate the change. These were the 1977 E-ONE, 1975 Seagrave, and the 1982 Pierce.

Western Springs Fire Department Ward LaFrance Fireball

Western Springs Fire Department American LaFrance Ladder Chief Quint

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FDIC 2011 highlights

FDIC 2011

An overview of the stadium exhibits. Many of the apparatus exhibitors moved into the new convention center this year. Larry Shapiro photo

The 2011 Fire Department Instructors Conference (FDIC) just ended. The convention center was filled with exhibitors who displayed everything from fire apparatus and gear to shirts and trinkets. There were two local area rigs on display this year. A  Medtec Type III ambulance for Algonquin-Lake in the Hills was in the Pierce booth and a Cyclone II 95-foot rear mount tower ladder for University Park was in the E-ONE booth.

FDIC 2011 Algonquin Fire Department Medtec ambulance

Algonquin-Lake in the Hills had a Medtec ambulance in the Pierce booth at the FDIC in Indianapolis. Larry Shapiro photo

FDIC 2011 University Park Fire Department E-ONE tower ladder

This new tower ladder for University Park was in the E-ONE booth. Larry Shapiro photo

Other interesting apparatus displayed included four pieces for the FDNY including a Wheeled Coach ambulance on a four-door Ford chassis, an engine in the Seagrave booth, plus Rescue 4 and Ladder 137 in the Ferrara booth.

FDIC 2011 Seagrave FDNY

Seagrave displayed FDNY Engine 222. Larry Shapiro

FDIC 2011 Ferrara FDNY R4

Ferrara had FDNY Rescue 4 from Queens in their booth. Larry Shapiro photo

FDIC 2011 Ferrara FDNY L137

Ferrara also had FDNY Ladder 137 on dispkay. Larry Shapiro photo

Crimson had a tandem axle rescue for Elizabeth, NJ, KME had a tiller for Norwalk, CT, American LaFrance had a tiller for Ventura County, CA and HME had a Type III wildland pumper for CALFIRE.

FDIC 2011 Crimson Elizabeth Fire Department Rescue 1

This tandem axle heavy rescue for Elizabeth, NJ Rescue 1 was in the Crimson booth. Larry Shapiro photo

FDIC 2011 KME TDA Norwalk, CT

A tiller for Norwalk, CT was shown by KME. Larry Shapiro photo

FDIC 2011 American LaFrance LTI TDA Ventura County, CA

This LTI tiller for Ventura County, CA by American LaFrance was in the Lucas Oil Stadium. Larry Shapiro photo

FDIC 2011 HME CALFIRE Type III

HME brought a Type III engine from CALFIRE. Larry Shapiro photo

As regards new introductions:

Pierce showed the new Dash CF chassis under a PUC rescue pumper;

FDIC 2011 Pierce Dash CF PUC

One of two Pierce Dash CF units that were unveiled at the show. Larry Shapiro photo

FDIC 2011 Pierce tracked mini pumper

Pierce also showed this mini pumper on rubber tracks BP. Larry Shapiro photo

Rosenbauer introduced their Smart Cab enclosure for adding a crew area to units built on a commercial chassis;

FDIC 2011 Rosenbauer Smart Cab

Rosenbauer introduced the 'Smart Cab' enclosure for three firefighters on a commercial chassis. Larry Shapiro photo

FDIC 2011 Rosenbauer Smart Cab

The Smart Cab has a two-step unit which swings out with the door for easy egress and entrance to the crew enclosure along with an option for a full-lenght glass covered door. Larry Shapiro photo

KME brought out the Predator Pro Series (Pumper Rescue Operations) integrated pumper and a new 79-foot ladder;

FDIC 2011 KME Predator PRO

The KME Predator PRO is a rescue pumper on the new Predator chassis and features a short wheelbase and compact operator's panel. Larry Shapiro photo

FDIC 2011 KME 75' Aerial Cat

The new 76-foor Aerial Cat quint on a new Predator chassis was in the KME booth. Larry Shapiro photo

Crimson highlighted their new acquisition of Classic Fire and showed their ‘Transformer’ on a commercial chassis;

FDIC 2011 Crimson Fire Classic Series

Crimson had a min pumper in their new Classic Series which originates from their recent purchase of Classic Fire in Ocala, FL. Larry Shapiro photo

American LaFrance announced that they are now offering their Eagle custom chassis to other manufacturers and that the LTI aerials can also be purchased by others;

FDIC 2011 American LaFrance Eagle chassis

A 2010 emissions compliant Eagle cab and chassis was on display by American LaFrance. Larry Shapiro photo

E-ONE showed the eMAX pumper series with a narrow operator’s panel.

FDIC 2011 E-ONE EMAX

The E-ONE eMAX was shown on a Typhoon chassis. Larry Shapiro photo

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South Chicago Heights is added to the site

The second department in MABAS Division 27 has been added. South Chicago Heights, a single station department that covers 1.5 square miles operates two ambulances and two engines. Ambulances are from Wheeled Coach and Osage. Engines are from Crimson and American LaFrance (before it was bought by Freightliner). This is one of the few departments in the area operating a Type II style ambulance. Images were provided by Jack Connors.

South Chicago Heights Fire Department station

The South Chicago Heights station at 2729 Jackson Avenue. Jack Connors photo

South Chicago Heights Fire Department Type II ambulance

South Chicago Heights Fire Department American LaFrance Century pumper

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Country Club Hills has been added to the site

Country Club Hills has been added to the MABAS Division 24 departments that are on the website. Country Club Hills has two stations with a total of three ambulances, four engines, and a tower ladder. One of their engines, Engine 1140, is a 1980 American LaFrance Century, 75′ Water Chief Quint with a 1,500-GPM pump and 300 gallons of water. It is lettered as Truck 1140, but the aerial device is out of service, so it is running as an engine. Country Club Hills also owns the only HME/Ahrens-Fox/RK Aerials tower ladder in Illinois.

Country Club Hills Fire Department Spartan Crimson engine

This engine was featured at a fire recently which was posted HERE with images from Karl Klotz.

Country Club Hills Fire Department Station 2

Country Club Hills Fire Department Station 2 is their headquarters at 4520 W. 175th Street. Jack Connors photo

Country Club Hills Fire Department HME Ahrens Fox RK tower ladder

Country Club Hills Fire Department American LaFrance Century Water Chief Quint

When American LaFrance made aerials, each rear-mount was part of the ‘Chief’ series. There was the Ladder Chief, the Ladder Chief Quint, the Water Chief, the Water Chief Quint, and the Aero Chief.  The Aero Chief was a two-piece articulating boom with a platform at the end, similar to the Snorkel.

American LaFrance Water Chief quint brochure

American LaFrance literature on the 75' Water Chief Quint. Larry Shapiro collection

A Water Chief was an aerial ladder with a pre-piped waterway while the Ladder Chief was a straight ladder.

American LaFrance Ladder Chief brochure

American LaFrance Ladder Chief brochure. Larry Shapiro collection

American LaFrance Water Chief brochure

American LaFrance Water Chief brochure. Larry Shapiro collection

Either aerial could be mounted on a unit with a pump and tank for the quint designation.

American LaFrance brochure 75' Water Chief Quint

American LaFrance 75' Water Chief Quint brochure. Larry Shapiro collection

Few of the ‘Chief’ aerials are still in service today.

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Chciago Level 1 Haz Mat 1-10-11

There was a Level 1 Haz Mat at 204 N. Artesian (Artesian and Lake) today as well. People’s Gas was digging and struck a 4-inch medium-pressure gas line almost directly underneath the Chicago Transit Authority (CTA) Green Line running down Lake Street. Engine 26, Truck 7, Battalion 12, Squad 2, and 5-1-1 (Hazardous Incident Team) made the run. Engine 26 led out a 2.5″ as a precaution, and Battalion 12 had the CTA shut down the ‘EL’ as People’s Gas made a quick shut down of the leaking section of pipe.

Dan McInerney submitted the following images.

Chicago Level 1 Haz Mat January 10, 2011

This is an overview of the scene showing representatives from CFD, CPD, CTA and People's Gas. The CTA shutdown lasted approximately 15 minutes. Dan McInerney photo

Chicago Level 1 Haz Mat January 10, 2011 Chicago Battalion 12

Battalion 12 was the chief due on the Still Alarm for the gas leak today at 204 N. Artesian. Dan McInerney photo

Chicago Level 1 Haz Mat January 10, 2011

The company from Engine 26 stands by with a dry 2.5" line as a safety precaution. Dan McInerney photo

Chicago Level 1 Haz Mat January 10, 2011

Haz Mat unit 5-1-1 and Squad 2 (5-5-2) sit side-by-side under the elevated tracks on Lake Street. 5-1-1 is one of two 2003 American LaFrance Eagle/Rescue Master squads. Squad 2 is one of three 2000 HME/Central States squad units. Dan McInerney photo

Chicago Level 1 Haz Mat January 10, 2011 Chicago Engine 26

Engine 26 (D-615) is a one-of-a-kind 2003 Spartan Gladiator/Crimson engine. One of the unique elements of this unit is the red paint on the headlight bezels which is normally chromed. Dan McInerney photo

Chicago Level 1 Haz Mat January 10, 2011

This is one of the CTA EMergency Response Units. They run with red lights and sirens to any event city-wide that disrupts CTA service. Dan McInerney photo

Chicago Level 1 Haz Mat January 10, 2011 Truck 7

Chicago Truck 7, a 2002, Pierce Dash, 100' rear mount, medium duty aerial, is staged on Lake Street at the Level 1 Haz Mat incident today. Dan McInerney photo

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