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Former CFD E15 for sale

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#1 by NJ on October 25, 2013 - 8:37 AM

Haven’t seen it in a long time, but here is a shot of Truck 40 running a Pierce.

http://myersfirephotos.smugmug.com/Chicago-FD-Apparatus/CFD-Truck-Company/i-4K4SwfN/0/S/CFD%20T-40-S.jpg
#2 by Bill Post on October 25, 2013 - 5:23 AM

DH I am aware that several of the ALS Truck companies had exchanged their 2000 E/Ones for the newer Pierces for the reason that you have given, however according to my information Truck 40 had become an ALS Truck on May 3rd 2010 and Truck 36 had become an ALS Truck two days later on May 5th 2010. They were the last two Trucks that I know of to become ALS companies.
The only other thing that I can think of is that my information on Truck 40 could be a misprint but other then that I suspect that Truck 40 may have had some modifications done in order to have a special compartment for EMS supplies.
I am aware that when the first 7 Truck companies had become ALS that Trucks 45 had exchanged rigs with Truck 40, Truck 60 had exchanged rigs with Truck 8 and Truck 55 had exchanged rigs with Truck 28 so that they could run with the newer Pierces.
According to the information that I currently have there are presently 12 ALS Truck companies in service and they are in approximate order of being put in service.
1 Truck 29
2 Truck 32
3 Truck 2
4 Truck 60
5 Truck 41
6 Truck 45
7 Truck 55
8 Truck 12
9 Truck 58
10 Tower Ladder 63
11 Truck 40
12 Truck 36

Since this information is from 2010 there may have been some additional Truck companies converted to ALS trucks that I haven’t heard about.
#3 by Dennis on October 25, 2013 - 5:20 AM

The DH Truck Co. 40 IS ALS.
#4 by The DH on October 24, 2013 - 10:09 PM

Bill, Truck 40 is not ALS. They originally had a Pierce rearmount, but they traded rigs a few years back with Truck 45 when they became ALS. The E-Ones are not fitted with a securable cabinet for the controlled substances like the Pierce rigs. So all the trucks that had E-Ones that went ALS were swapped with companies that had the Pierces.
#5 by Bill Post on October 24, 2013 - 8:14 PM

When the short wheel base Engines (1998 and 1999 HME Luvernes) were first put in service they were all assigned to new ALS Engine companies. When most of them were reassigned within a few years some of reassignments were to ALS companies and some were reassigned to BLS Engines.
The first 6 1998 models were assigned to Engines 71,83, 95,1,88 and 46. Engine 71’s rig was reassigned to Engine 103 (BLS) 83’s to Engine 11 (ALS) ,95’s to Engine 59 (ALS) 1’s to Engine 120 (ALS) ,88’s to Engine 50 (ALS) and Engine 46’s to Engine 74. When the rigs were handed down to other companies many of them weren’t ALS initially.
The four 1999 models were assigned to Engine 102 (ALS), Engine 125 (ALS) and was eventually reassigned to Engine 120 after being a spare rig for a few years, Engine 123 (ALS) reassigned to Engine 39 and Engine 115 reassigned to Engine 15 (BLS). It is rare these days for a rig not to be reassigned but Engine 102 is the rarity.
#6 by Bob on October 24, 2013 - 6:38 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SZ0_7ofnuc

Here is a video that I shot of this rig (Engine 15) responding out of their house is 2011. I also have pictures that I will refer to later to see if I can get the Shop ID # off of. I know Engine 15 went through several spares before they got their current new rig.
#7 by Bill Post on October 24, 2013 - 12:53 PM

As a correction to my previous comment it was the Spartan Luvernes that couldn’t fit into a few of the older and smaller stations (until there were some modifications done) so a few of the HME Luvernes were initially assigned to those stations in a some instances. In some of the cases the HME’s were assigned to newer or larger stations as well.
#8 by Bill Post on October 24, 2013 - 12:30 PM

Bob the story of the HME/Luvernes not fitting into most of the stations was true with a few of the companies in the beginning. Since then some modification have been made to some of the bay doors or the floors at some the older stations. A very good example is Engine 59’s old quarters , at Ridge and Wayne which they had shared Truck 47 and they were usually parked behind the Truck in a single bay station). It is possible that it still maybe the case with Engine 94’s quarters as well, but in most of the other cases the HMES were put in newer stations or in stations that have previously accommodated larger Engines in the past.
In most of the cases the rigs were assigned either due to some narrow streets in their districts , or were reassigned to slower companies that didn’t have as many runs. In a few cases they just were assigned because they were next on the list to be replaced.
#9 by Bill Post on October 24, 2013 - 11:57 AM

You are correct CFD 1979. I too had been baffled about this. By the way the last that I had heard was that Engine 15’s rig was a slightly newer 1999 model as opposed to a 1998 model. Engine 15 was assigned Engine 115’s 1999 model after Engine 115 was given a new Spartan/Crimson in 2006.
Engine 50’s rig is a hand me down that I believe had been assigned to Engine 89 (which is one of the slower companies the city). It is ironic but Engine 50’s current 1995 (hand me down) Spartan Luverne replaces one of the short wheel based HME/Luvernes. In 2010 Engine 89 only went out on 743 runs and ironically was in 89th place that year. They were one of 7 Engine companies that went out on less then 1000 runs in 2010.
The short wheel base HME/ Luvernes are not very popular amongst the crews as their cab space is very tight and the Spartans have roomier cabs. In the case of Engine 50 getting an older hand me down, apparently their current rig didn’t have that much wear on it because they were assigned to a slow company. By the way of the 6 short (1998/99 models) wheel base HME/Luvernes that are still in service only Engine 102’s rig is at it’s original assignment.
Even though the age of the rig had been a major factor in replacing it ,over the last several years mileage and how busy the company that the rig has been assigned to has also become a factor in what rig’s get replaced or in this particular case get “handed down”.’
I do agree with you however as there are a few newer Spartan Luverne’s from around 2001/2002 that are being used as spares (at least as of a few years ago).
What is more of a surprise to me however is that the last I had heard is one of the 2002 model Pierce Trucks was being used as spare rig. It was originally assigned to Truck 42 and a few years ago Truck 42 was assigned one of the first Spartan/Ervs (Crimson) Aerial Ladders that we received.
That may have been done so that Chicago could use their old Pierce as a spare rig for some of the ALS truck companies however if they wanted a Pierce rig as a spare Truck then why didn’t they use one of the two original 2000 model Pierce Trucks that are at Trucks 47 or 52?
Truck 40 (an ALS truck company) was using a 2000 model E/One Truck as it’s regular rig the last that I had heard so I don’t see why they didn’t reassign Truck 42’s old(2002 model) Pierce to Truck 40.
Chicago is still using five 2000 (single rear axle) E/One Trucks and they are assigned to Trucks 8,30,49,40 and 24. Of those 5 companies only Truck 8 could be considered a slow company. While I don’t have the stats for 2012 or 2011 in 2010 Truck 8 was amongst the 7 slowest Trucks in the city with less then 1000 runs. They were in 54th place.
Truck 40 was in a tie for 31st place with Truck 48 with 2307 runs. While those stats are from 3 years ago it is reasonable to assume that they still are pretty close to those figures given all of the ALS runs that Truck 40 goes out on.
#10 by Bob on October 24, 2013 - 10:17 AM

This rig was originally Engine 115. When Engine 115 received their new (current) rig, this rig was passed down to Engine 15 after after they had been using a spare after they crashed their rig responding to a still on 79th st. Since Engine 15’s 1992 Spartan Luverne (D540) they had several spare rigs before they got this HME.
#11 by CFD 1979 on October 24, 2013 - 6:40 AM

Here’s the rundown for the older CFD engines still in the fleet.

1995-Spartan Luverne
E50

1997-HME Luverne
E28
E80
E94
E104
E121

1998-HME Luverne
E11
E59
E74
E103

1999-HME Luverne
E39
E102

It honestly baffles me how the city can still have some of these in service. I completely understand if they are in an area that does not get much action, but in the case of E50, it’s unacceptable. There are spares in the fleet that are much newer than some of these rigs.
- #12 by Bob on October 24, 2013 - 10:19 AM
  
  To my understanding, these new engines won’t fit inside their house. That’s why they have had hand me down luvernes and HME’s.
#13 by CFD 1979 on October 24, 2013 - 6:26 AM

It amazing how many HME Luvernes are still in the current fleet for the CFD.
#14 by Jimmy Diesel on October 24, 2013 - 12:36 AM

they were Luverne’s on HME Chassis. short and narrow for the smaller streets in some still districts. ie. E102, E59, etc.
#15 by Martin Nowak on October 23, 2013 - 11:35 PM

Thats what it says on the back. Luverne
#16 by Brian on October 23, 2013 - 11:29 PM

Weren’t these built by Central States or Luverne?
#17 by NJ on October 23, 2013 - 10:05 PM

7,000 miles on an ex CFD 1998 engine. That’ll be the day.
- #18 by Admin on October 23, 2013 - 11:50 PM
  
  That’s engine hours not miles